WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Tasunke]

That means you think he's a loyalist? Personally I think his lack of direct engagement is a slight wolftell.

There hasn't been a lot for me to directly engage, tbh.

Only post I've seen close to it is Mattimeo's posts. The rest were something like "yea Tas is probably Laz"

Lewwyn's affirmation seems to indicate that indeed Mattimeo and yourself were only making something out of nothing.

[Twinkletoes89]

I can understand why you might want to play differently Lewwyn, but again that is something we don't know for sure.

Its an easy lie to say that you are playing this game differently to any you have played before to try and justify out of character behaviour. Right now it seems more to me like a lame excuse. But I look at the fact that you wanted to play as another name and that can give your claim of trying to play differently some credence. To use law terms, I would say that right now I think you are guilty on the balance of probabilities, and not beyond all reasonable doubt.

Tasunke, you really are an enigma. Your play is beyond mystifying and I just keep hearing the word 'smokescreen' popping into my head when I read what you are saying. Like you have garnered a reputation for being quite bizarre and now you can play up to it and people will think its normal even when you are covering something. And by the same token, I see it and think that it is almost too easy a vote to try and lynch you. Like its taking the easy way out.

With you I am concerned that we may have got ourselves into a mindset of 'its so weird and unorthodox' that its beyond scummy and therefore innocent, when if anyone else did it, it would be 100% condemned as scummy. Are we trying to overthink it and let him off the hook?

I just don't know, otherwise my vote would be on you now.

[Tasunke]

Anyways, at least Mardoc was just applying standard pressure. Mattimeo's post, however, I would consider bizzare. Or rather, those three bizzare posts I posted? That was in response (in a way) to Mattimeo's post. I probably just should have called him out on being the only one to think the Taz/Laz thing was malicious.

So anyways, yes I think he *is*, as you say, looking for the easy way out. (someone easy to make a fake case against ... but the case he presented doesn't really seem to hold water).

Therefore, I think I'll have to switch my vote to Mattimeo

[Mardoc]

There hasn't been a lot for me to directly engage, tbh.

Only post I've seen close to it is Mattimeo's posts. The rest were something like "yea Tas is probably Laz"

Lewwyn's affirmation seems to indicate that indeed Mattimeo and yourself were only making something out of nothing.

I meant that in a totally different way. You're interpreting me as 'he's not defending against the accusations'. I meant 'you don't seem to be actually playing the game, looking for traitors, you're just drifting along talking about anything and everything but the game'.

I don't want you to defend the pseudonyms per se, I want to know who you suspect and why. Or who you think is innocent and why. Anything *but* meta-speculation and theories on the next game.

Crosspost: hey, that's a start

[Lewwyn]

Mnnn, I actually don't think I've been playing differently, just that I'm not getting concrete reads right now. My point about the Loki mishap is that it might be affecting my reads and therefore my confidence not that I'm consciously choosing a different play style. Once I outed myself there wasn't really a point to trying to play differently anymore, just that it served as a distraction.

[Lewwyn]

There hasn't been a lot for me to directly engage, tbh.

Only post I've seen close to it is Mattimeo's posts. The rest were something like "yea Tas is probably Laz"

Lewwyn's affirmation seems to indicate that indeed Mattimeo and yourself were only making something out of nothing.

I meant that in a totally different way. You're interpreting me as 'he's not defending against the accusations'. I meant 'you don't seem to be actually playing the game, looking for traitors, you're just drifting along talking about anything and everything but the game'.

I don't want you to defend the pseudonyms per se, I want to know who you suspect and why. Or who you think is innocent and why. Anything *but* meta-speculation and theories on the next game.

Crosspost: hey, that's a start

That's a very good point. Last game Tasunke wrote a pretty insane journal of his thoughts, but they were all still thoughts related to and directly engaged upon the game and other players innocence

Is the crosspost mattimeo post is the first to do that this game?

[Twinkletoes89]

Mnnn, I actually don't think I've been playing differently, just that I'm not getting concrete reads right now. My point about the Loki mishap is that it might be affecting my reads and therefore my confidence not that I'm consciously choosing a different play style. Once I outed myself there wasn't really a point to trying to play differently anymore, just that it served as a distraction.

Hence why I haven't got you totally nailed to the bad guy post yet.

I can see how the Loki thing may have affected you but you can't hold that on forever. You say that now since you outed yourself you don't see a point to playing differently, but it still feels to me like you are. I can be persuaded to give you time to prove yourself, but I need to see the good ol' scumhunting Lewwyn again a bit really.

I think that part of this comes down to the feeling that the typical 'village leaders' aren't really there so far in this game.

Novice is definitely different to my reading of his behaviour in the last game - he seems more quiet/subdued and less assertive.
Zak is getting there, I still see a lot of his familiar characteristics so far though not quite as 'overbearing' as I normally got the feeling they were.
You Lewwyn are not crusading nor really doing *that* much. You are doubting yourself it seems and I am not used to seeing that.

Brick and Ichabod were probably the two people sticking their necks out the furthest in the first day at least trying to hunt or be helpful and they both ended up dead.

It makes me wonder what has happened to our typical leaders as this day certainly feels pretty quiet so far. Hopefully that is just because its a weekday and the americans aren't free from work yet but I do feel like we aren't seeing as much as we usually do.

[pindicator]

@zak - I never intended to ignore your questions. In fact, I didn't:

From the QT thread (post 50):

But zak, I never told Azza that he needed to add a sexual innuendo. I was voting for him because he was not afun participant in the last game. But you attack my joke vote, why?

My thoughts process: Let's have fun this game! Who didn't have fun last game? Uh... Uh... Azza seemed kind of dour, let's vote him.

Oh no, my mastermind scheme has been laid bare!


Hmm... Just spent 10 min trying to search for my response to the black & white comment and cannot find it so may be I did neglect that one. Whoops.

With that I had mis-attributed thestick's vote on coco as being Qgqqqqq's vote. So when you went from suspecting Qgqqqqq to joining him on coco it made me suspicious: how can you go so confidently from one person to that person's target and not show the least bit of hold-over suspicion of your first person? (Answer: because I had mixed up who voted for coco.) I thought only a traitor jumping from two loyalists would be the culprit: he knows they are both innocent and so he can jump easily from one target to the next without the hesitation that a loyalist would have. That is what I meant by a black and white mindset: you already have the answers if you're scum.

[Rowain]

It has nothing to do with the lynch and the nightactions. I just think it was a weird play.

Really? Then tell me since when do you think so? Why haven't you spoken earlier about it? Afterall I spoke about my petwolf even before we moved to the QT-thread in fact I talked about it 3 days ago.

[novice]

Lewwyn, what's your read on Mattimeo?