WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Mardoc]

I guess Tasunke pressure will have to wait. I'm willing to swap back if there's an opportunity, but for the time being I'm happy to join the pile on Coco. I can't claim that I saw his suspicious behavior initially, but his responses today make me happy to vote him. Talk some more, Coco! Maybe you can talk me into backing off.

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn, what's your read on Mattimeo?

I'm off to bed, but think on this. During the night phase Mattimeo only made one post:

double vote wasn't sourced from me either

I have a day off tomorrow.

[zakalwe]

I can't claim that I saw his suspicious behavior initially, but his responses today make me happy to vote him.

Why?

@Pindicator. Thanks for answering. Part of my question was also why you focused so specifically on Azza, which I didn't feel like you had answered very well. But I'll consider it answered now, to spare the dead horse from further beating.

[Lewwyn]

Couldn't sleep.

Novice I think I'm going to lean village with Mattimeo. In particular his first post was this:

Checking in.

Got an exam today, so unlikely to be very responsive 'til that's done with.

It's the first page. Wouldn't he throw a joke vote out if he were scum? Also as little as he has posted, the first post he does in the QT states his dislike for the QT and a later post mentions his lack of feeling engaged based on being forced to use the QT. When he said that it resonated with me because I was having a harder time staying engaged in the QT as well. Overall I actually think his behavior has been consistent.

Meanwhile I went back and looked at Rowain again, in particular the area where you were pressuring him. To me it seems like even though Rowain is being attacked and he is poking you back, he doesn't have that edge he has when he's a villager that makes everyone want to lynch him. It's like he's holding back. Serious caginess. Reminds me of WW2 in which Rowain was the final wolf left alive. In that game we were allowed to use out of forum contact and I had several exchanges with Rowain. (Oh to be a noobly WW player again). During those exchanges Rowain was so cagy and distrustful but appeasing and smooth. And I'm seeing that again. Out of everyone I'm most confident about Rowain. He's tripped my spidey senses the most.

Fun fact, in WW2 on the final day Rowain tells me he's going to vote however I vote no matter what, I vote for him and he votes for himself too.

[novice]

Vote count

Coco (3) - Novice PIndicator Zakalwe
Azza (2) - Qgqqq Thestick
Pindicator (2) - Azza Rowain
Tasunke (2) - Mardoc Mattimeo
Rowain (1) - Lewwyn
Twinkletoes (1) - Tasunke

Not voting - Coco Jkaen Sareln Serdoa TT

Lewwyn

Coco

Lewwyn

Lewwyn

Tasunke

Rowain

Mattimeo

Updated vote count:

Lewwyn (3) - Zakalwe, Serdoa, TT
Coco (2) - Novice Pindicator
Azza (2) - Qgqqq Thestick
Pindicator (2) - Azza Rowain
Tasunke (2) - Mardoc Mattimeo
Rowain (2) - Lewwyn, Coco
Mattimeo (1) - Tasunke

Not voting - Jkaen Sareln

[novice]

Thanks Lewwyn.

You said almost everyone feels like scum - maybe you can rank people from least to most scummy nonetheless?

Coco, is work still killing you? What timezone are you in, and will you have time to do some reading/scumhunting today (day 2)?

[Qgqqqqq]

Revoting Azza for reasons stated in QT. Lewki also feels suspicious to me, but recent posts dont feel as awkward.

@coco, I know how you feel (especially when people talk abot rereading), but sometimes its best to just skim and offer thoughts on stuff.

[Rowain]

@novice Mardoc voted coco

@Lewwyn Thats the best you could come up with? WW2? Are you serious? I mean I have played any game since then with the exception of 15 and you tell stories from 2??? I think people can easily read through my games to find my reactions when I was a wolf to be different .

Somehow you remind me of getting accused by Gaspar in the last game therefore Lewwyn.

[uberfish]

Lewwyn (4) - Rowain Serdoa TT Zakalwe
Coco (3) - Mardoc Novice pindicator
Azza (2) - Qgqqqq Thestick
Rowain (2) - Coco Lewwyn
Mattimeo (1) - Tasunke
Pindicator (1) - Azza
Tasunke (1) - Mattimeo

Not voting - Jkaen Sarlen

[Serdoa]

thank fuck, back in an actually usable format...

novice: while I had assumed Lazarus == Tasunke from the occurrance, I wasn't completely sure, given the ease with which one can change the name associated with their post on quicktopic, and the obvious framing uses this lends itself to. It was the fact that, after several people had pointed out that Lazarus was probably Tasunke, no objection to this being the case was forthcoming from Tasunke that completely convinced me that it was actually Tasunke, and not someone imitating him in a convincing manner.

With regard to the split personality being any indication of scum: it's not the mere fact that he was having fun with multiple logins that I find disturbing (and I agree, that in itself seems relatively in-character for Tasunke). It's the way in which he did it (over-the-top antagonism) and then completely dropped the subject as soon as he was called on it that (to me) indicates malicious intent behind the actions, rather than "oh hey, quitopic lets you pretend to be people, let's have some fun."

I'm still not getting that. If he had faked a name from the actual players I would have understood. If he had not written "Tasunke speaking" in his posts, I would understood. But he has not faked another player and he has clearly stated that he was writing those messages. You again state that you see malicious intent behind his actions. Please, explain what you expected this malicious intent to be. WHAT was he actually gunning for that was so bad?

Anyways, at least Mardoc was just applying standard pressure. Mattimeo's post, however, I would consider bizzare. Or rather, those three bizzare posts I posted? That was in response (in a way) to Mattimeo's post. I probably just should have called him out on being the only one to think the Taz/Laz thing was malicious.

So anyways, yes I think he *is*, as you say, looking for the easy way out. (someone easy to make a fake case against ... but the case he presented doesn't really seem to hold water).

Therefore, I think I'll have to switch my vote to Mattimeo

Not thought I would say that ever, but yeah, I can agree with you Tasunke. Mattimeo

Couldn't sleep.

Novice I think I'm going to lean village with Mattimeo. In particular his first post was this:

Checking in.

Got an exam today, so unlikely to be very responsive 'til that's done with.

It's the first page. Wouldn't he throw a joke vote out if he were scum? Also as little as he has posted, the first post he does in the QT states his dislike for the QT and a later post mentions his lack of feeling engaged based on being forced to use the QT. When he said that it resonated with me because I was having a harder time staying engaged in the QT as well. Overall I actually think his behavior has been consistent.

Meanwhile I went back and looked at Rowain again, in particular the area where you were pressuring him. To me it seems like even though Rowain is being attacked and he is poking you back, he doesn't have that edge he has when he's a villager that makes everyone want to lynch him. It's like he's holding back. Serious caginess. Reminds me of WW2 in which Rowain was the final wolf left alive. In that game we were allowed to use out of forum contact and I had several exchanges with Rowain. (Oh to be a noobly WW player again). During those exchanges Rowain was so cagy and distrustful but appeasing and smooth. And I'm seeing that again. Out of everyone I'm most confident about Rowain. He's tripped my spidey senses the most.

Fun fact, in WW2 on the final day Rowain tells me he's going to vote however I vote no matter what, I vote for him and he votes for himself too.

Any reason why you completely ignored what Tasunke said Lewwyn? You believe Mattimeo that he wasn't that engaged because of the QT, but on the other hand, he was engaged enough to see and call "malicious intent" on Tasunkes play. I'm a little surprised why that is ignored as I think his whole "I have no time" "I can't get engaged in the QT" "I'll vote Tasunke, he is always easy to lynch" does sound much more like a wolf searching an easy way out imo.