WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[novice]

I'm actually quite OK with lynching both Lewwyn, Coco and Mattimeo at this point. This almost feels too easy, OTOH this game has a much more manageable size than the last one.

[Mardoc]

I can't claim that I saw his suspicious behavior initially, but his responses today make me happy to vote him.

Why?

Assuming you're referring to today's? Didn't see the previous stuff mostly because I still haven't found time to read through the QT in detail.

His posts today are mostly vague feelings, except with the one specific accusation against Rowain. Which would make sense to me if he's following along, but not really trying to analyze. Which, in turn, I do have to admit can be explained either by being a traitor or by being severely time restricted. But I also don't like his tone:

Particularly this part: "Anyway, the mess at the lynch and the nightactions should give you enough information to make a guess on what's going on. "

It just feels like a superior tone, saying 'well, I know, and you should be able to guess'. That's a tone that I find myself adopting as a GM, when I have a cheatsheet - 'it's so obvious, I can't believe the players don't...' and I expect it would be similar for a wolf.

[Mardoc]

Assuming you're referring to today's? Didn't see the previous stuff mostly because I still haven't found time to read through the QT in detail.

And, honestly, because I'm trying to break the playerbase down into manageable chunks to analyze. Hadn't really thought one way or the other about Coco until I saw he was collecting votes. And even then, I still wanted to get something more from Tasunke, first.

[zakalwe]

Sorry if I was ambiguous, the question I meant to ask was: Why do his responses today make you happy to vote him?

It felt like you were just piling on with that vote, while throwing out an entirely generic justification. That's why I wanted some details on what, specifically, is so suspicious about his responses today.

[zakalwe]

As it stands currently, Lewwyn still feels like a good lynch to me. I can't say that I'm convinced that he's scum, but he seems off, and I don't really see any better suspects. The main risk with lynching him would be that we're NOT lynching a lurker.

I haven't read the full wolf thread from the previous game, but I read the first day or so, and I remember Lewwyn telling Thestick quite forcefully to not "engage" me, when I was on his case. I'm not really sure why he thought that was such good advice, but maybe he is now following his own advice, in this game. At any rate he is strangely passive. (Just to be clear; I'm not expecting him to rage all over the thread, that is not what I'm getting at. But he may be trying to stay cool and wait for the tide to turn. As town, he would not have the same expectation that the tide will turn.)

(Off-topic: That was a neat way to compile a tally, Novice. I like it.)

[pindicator]

I think serdoa made some good points about lewwyn vis-a-vis his defense of mattimeo. Not convinced he is the best lynch though. Last game he came off as being very guarded and hostile in tone amd this game he's appeared more open and less guarded. That seems townish to me.

Is this coco's first rodeo?
Regardless, there are two main reasons for you to post thoughts and attack people coco. First is that its how we find the bad guys. Second is it gives us that a view into your thought process so we can make our own judgments about you. Not voting or attacking is very natural for inexperienced scum- they know wthe person they attainnocent so it can be hard to make a case for fear of being wrong. So this reluctance to attack anyone makes me suspicious.

[Mardoc]

Sorry if I was ambiguous, the question I meant to ask was: Why do his responses today make you happy to vote him?

It felt like you were just piling on with that vote, while throwing out an entirely generic justification. That's why I wanted some details on what, specifically, is so suspicious about his responses today.

So, are you happy with my answer?

I have to admit, it wasn't 'just' piling on, but I do see some value in voting along with a bandwagon, at least in the early part of the day. That's to say, I wouldn't have joined you if I didn't see some suspicious stuff, but conversely I don't know if I'd have looked for the suspicious stuff if you hadn't made him a plausible candidate. Or if he'd have posted it, for that matter, if he weren't under pressure.

I do have a question for you, zak. If Lewwyn's a traitor, why aren't you dead? He was happy to make you the first kill last game.

[pindicator]

Also- accusing and bantering is the name of the game! So get out there and enjoy the hunt!

[zakalwe]

So, are you happy with my answer?

It's fair enough, but I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning.

Particularly this part: "Anyway, the mess at the lynch and the nightactions should give you enough information to make a guess on what's going on. "

It just feels like a superior tone, saying 'well, I know, and you should be able to guess'. That's a tone that I find myself adopting as a GM, when I have a cheatsheet - 'it's so obvious, I can't believe the players don't...' and I expect it would be similar for a wolf.

If he's scum and sees something about the so-called mess that obviously implicates scum... why would he want to draw attention to it?

I do have a question for you, zak. If Lewwyn's a traitor, why aren't you dead? He was happy to make you the first kill last game.

Are you serious? Me being alive on day 2 indicates that Lewwyn must be innocent? I mean, I could probably poke a few holes in that theory, but is it really necessary?

[Sareln]

Echoing Matt, thank goodness we're back on the forum. Reading the QT was starting to hurt.

Tasunke:

If he hadn't started arguing with himself, I think it would have been perfectly fine. Instead, the argument created just enough suspicion that perhaps everything isn't Tasunke that it acted as a net injector of general chaos. Random musings on multi-ID WW is just noise. IMO, Tasunke's SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio) has been really low this game. As it is, that 2nd part is the most important bit. Lots of noise, little engagement with the game. I can sympathize (It's been hard to get engaged this game with the various locale shifts), and I suspect that it's two sides of the same thing - faced with nothing to engage with, Tasunke creates noise, while I shut up.

Mattimeo:

TBH, if you're just skimming the thread, Tasunke's name/ID changeups and self-arguing actually jumps out really fast. I don't find it that suspicious since it's in keeping with an aforementioned busy-ness.

Other Thoughts:

My first thought is that BRickAstley was killed in an attempt to land a mislynch from the 3rd candidate of the 3-way tie (TT, not checking right now). His death seems really weird to me, but on the other hand it must not be that weird if BRickAstley (correctly) saw it coming.

For now, I'm going to park my vote on Lewwyn