I really don't like the look of this Lewwyn wagon. The bulk of the reasoning seems to be that he's playing differently to usual, but the fact that he signed up for this game as Loki suggests that's exactly what he was going to do regardless of alignment or role. Jumping on him for doing something he signed up to do seems crazy to me.
@Lewwyn you think Bigger is dangerous for bad guys?? Why the f** would you believe that? Hell the only game Bigger survived to day3 was when he was a wolf. Sorry I don't buy it. And your accussation of me revenge voting is the same stupid lye Gaspar used the last game.
And riught like last game novice stumbles in.
@novice You protected the wolf uberfish in WW8 lynched me and lost the game. You protected Gasspar and proceeded to lynch me the last game and low and behold Gaspar won the game as wolf. And now we havbe the same in repeat. So please go on do what you want ybut believe me you are again a total idiot.
Congratulations, Lewwyn. So I guess this means that in future games, we can expect you to be on at all kinds of strange hours.
A follow-up thought regarding the whole hidden vote thing is how it affects the idea that a scum Pindicator would have voted to save himself yesterday. When he placed his final vote for Bigger, this became the tally:
So if he's scum, he would be aware that there's another hidden vote for Brick in play. Still, this would be cutting it awfully close, and it's not like anyone would fault him for voting for self-preservation, anyway. Framing himself with an extra vote on Brick would hardly be a stroke of genius, either... So IDK. Pindicator as scum doesn't really add up, if we just go by the voting record.
But while I'm on the topic: Mattimeo Lewwyn Sareln Mardoc
Four off-line players voting for Brick, who ended up with an extra vote that nobody claims responsibility for. Mattimeo and Lewwyn deny that they're double-voters. I think I'd like all four of you to comment explicitly on what you think about the hidden vote and what it might mean.
Also, Lewwyn: If Rowain is scum, what do you make of his last minute voting yesterday? I keep thinking the hidden vote on Brick must have been a deliberate scum strategy, but Rowain swung the vote elsewhere, ruining that strategy.
(November 16th, 2012, 04:44)Rowain Wrote: @Lewwyn you think Bigger is dangerous for bad guys?? Why the f** would you believe that? Hell the only game Bigger survived to day3 was when he was a wolf. Sorry I don't buy it. And your accussation of me revenge voting is the same stupid lye Gaspar used the last game.
And riught like last game novice stumbles in.
@novice You protected the wolf uberfish in WW8 lynched me and lost the game. You protected Gasspar and proceeded to lynch me the last game and low and behold Gaspar won the game as wolf. And now we havbe the same in repeat. So please go on do what you want ybut believe me you are again a total idiot.
I think Bigger is good at diagnosis and understanding things. You remember he played a pretty ballsy game in There will be blood. I GMed so I watched him play it out beyond just reading after the fact I watched it in real time. Its just every game after that he's been used as mislynch bait. If you think someone who is smart and motivated and also an active talker is not a threat to bad guys I'm not really sure what to tell you Rowain.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
I still wait on an answer to the post I quoted below. You clearly had time to post here, but you completely ignored my post. Why? Thinking you only have two votes against you, so it is safe to simply ignore it and hope it goes away?
(November 15th, 2012, 14:52)Serdoa Wrote: I'm still not getting that. If he had faked a name from the actual players I would have understood. If he had not written "Tasunke speaking" in his posts, I would understood. But he has not faked another player and he has clearly stated that he was writing those messages. You again state that you see malicious intent behind his actions. Please, explain what you expected this malicious intent to be. WHAT was he actually gunning for that was so bad?
Instead of answering, you posted this:
(November 15th, 2012, 22:15)Mattimeo Wrote: As someone who was voting BRick, and wasn't online at the time... you actually make a decent case here, as much as it impacts my own survival chances to agree with it.
Though, if it's a scum ability (and I agree with your reasoning as to why it probably is), I'd think it more likely to be a secret second vote, rather than their normal vote counting twice, simply for the ease in which such a double vote can be pinpointed - rather a liability for scum.
Thats the only post you made after I questioned your behaviour against Tasunke. A meta-speculation. Also interesting that you agree with zak (and explain that this would hurt your survival chances) but then you come up with an explanation for the double-vote that takes you out of the equation. Why didn't you start with that? Did you just try to buddy up to zak by agreeing with him?
Novice I think I'm going to lean village with Mattimeo. In particular his first post was this:
(November 11th, 2012, 10:23)Mattimeo Wrote: Checking in.
Got an exam today, so unlikely to be very responsive 'til that's done with.
It's the first page. Wouldn't he throw a joke vote out if he were scum? Also as little as he has posted, the first post he does in the QT states his dislike for the QT and a later post mentions his lack of feeling engaged based on being forced to use the QT. When he said that it resonated with me because I was having a harder time staying engaged in the QT as well. Overall I actually think his behavior has been consistent.
We had earlier the discussion in which zakalwe stated that the argument that he is still alive and therefore Lewwyn is probably innocent is just bad. I agree with that. It is as bad as the argument Lewwyn makes here. "Yeah, he is not scum, he would make a joke vote if he were." Also remember how he dances around the question if Mattimeo is scum or not.
(November 16th, 2012, 00:03)Lewwyn Wrote: About Mattimeo. I still don't know for sure where I stand there. I keep going back and forth between him being scum and village because I keep remembering Matt being a townie in the SMAC game and acting exactly the same and getting lynched for it. But then I also know he was sort of like that last game. I can't remember if he felt that the QT was cumbersome in the wolf thread last game... I do remember him posting a lot in the wolf thread though.
Another: "I don't want to vote for Mattimeo but he actually really looks bad. I'll try to keep middle-ground and not say anything." Thats the theme every time Lewwyn got asked about Mattimeo. Especially the last sentence I find kind of funny: I'm not sure if he liked the QT but he sure posted much in it. What do you want to tell us with that Lewwyn? That we should not believe him that the QT is cumbersome? That we should believe him? That you actually just don't want to say anything about it at all?
(November 16th, 2012, 04:44)Rowain Wrote: @novice You protected the wolf uberfish in WW8 lynched me and lost the game. You protected Gasspar and proceeded to lynch me the last game and low and behold Gaspar won the game as wolf. And now we havbe the same in repeat. So please go on do what you want ybut believe me you are again a total idiot.
Rowain, thats fine and all, but it actually doesn't answer novices question at all. Any reason for that?
(November 16th, 2012, 04:52)zakalwe Wrote: Congratulations, Lewwyn. So I guess this means that in future games, we can expect you to be on at all kinds of strange hours.
Yeah, I've actually thought about that.
(November 16th, 2012, 04:52)zakalwe Wrote: A follow-up thought regarding the whole hidden vote thing is how it affects the idea that a scum Pindicator would have voted to save himself yesterday. When he placed his final vote for Bigger, this became the tally:
So if he's scum, he would be aware that there's another hidden vote for Brick in play. Still, this would be cutting it awfully close, and it's not like anyone would fault him for voting for self-preservation, anyway. Framing himself with an extra vote on Brick would hardly be a stroke of genius, either... So IDK. Pindicator as scum doesn't really add up, if we just go by the voting record.
The Pindicator logic is what I came up with as well. I'm not ready to clear pin but I also, if you've noticed, haven't been beating down the door about him either. I agree that the voting doesn't implicate him and the only person on the block that voting does implicate is TT. And I think that's a very valid thing to pursue now.
(November 16th, 2012, 04:52)zakalwe Wrote: But while I'm on the topic: Mattimeo Lewwyn Sareln Mardoc
Four off-line players voting for Brick, who ended up with an extra vote that nobody claims responsibility for. Mattimeo and Lewwyn deny that they're double-voters. I think I'd like all four of you to comment explicitly on what you think about the hidden vote and what it might mean.
Also, Lewwyn: If Rowain is scum, what do you make of his last minute voting yesterday? I keep thinking the hidden vote on Brick must have been a deliberate scum strategy, but Rowain swung the vote elsewhere, ruining that strategy.
The thing about TT and Rowain is that Rowain flips on TT with less than ten minutes to go, but then he supposedly flips back off onto Bigger. I know Rowain's going to call me crazy or tinnfoil or whatever, but I actually think that there's a possibility Rowain voted TT to gain future credit if TT was lynched down the line. When Rowain voted for TT he was going to be the third vote. Then 2 more hopped on to TT after him! He didn't know that was coming. And then he tries desperately to switch off at the last moment and is foiled by the QT. I think he tried to A) gain future credit and B) bring the voting closer. I mean he could always just jump right back off. I don't see another reason why he would jump in that manner.
In any case I feel his last minute voting was suspect. If he didn't mind whether his vote was on Bigger or TT, IE: he suspected both and didn't mind who got lynched, why did he make such a big deal about it after the deadline? I know why TT continued to bring it up, but it wasn't necessary for Rowain to.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
It's true that the scum were planning to kill Bigger on N1 in the last game, before eventually deciding on me.
That would be quite an achievement really, to narrowly escape the noose on day 1 and then bite it on the very following night. (Of course, that's exactly what happened to Brick in this game.)
Lewwyn, why did you suspect Brick on day 1? He had that one post which I agree was scummy, but I really didn't think any of his walls of text or anything else that he said or did was particularly suspicious.
