WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[zakalwe]

As for other arguments for Rowain's guilt, what about his tone Zak? I believe we're finally getting a bit of pressure on him, but do you think he's been normal? As I said I think he's missing the edge.

From the lurker thread in the previous game, I thought Rowain was scum, because he reacted just like he's doing here, when people started pointing fingers at him. I figured he was trying to dissuade his attackers by suddenly responding very aggressively, because I remember him doing exactly that in WWwhatever when he was scum along with Jkaen and Erebus. As it turns out, he was town.

So my experience with Rowain is that he really does act very similarly as town and scum, and he is almost always annoying. In short, I don't trust my ability to read his tone. So I'm inclined to place more weight on other arguments. And I don't see why he would vote Bigger into the lead, going against the hidden scum vote on Brick, unless TT is scum. (And even then, why not go for Brick instead?) And TT doesn't look like scum to me, so far.

I think the best "objective" argument against Rowain is the early name claim. That was arguably not pro-town, even if it's not a big deal. As scum, he might be eager to establish his fake claim, hoping that others would follow suit. (That really would be bad IMO - if a significant fraction of the players decided to name claim early.)

[Rowain]

If we can't question things that happened more than 24 hours in the past, this game wouldn't work, would it?

That was mentioned to show that you didn't ask me all the time.

I already told you that nameclaiming is bad because names relate to abilities, and claiming Sansa Stark frees up a spot for scum hunting for more powerful names. It's not a big deal, but it's odd to me that you would name claim "just for fun" without considering the implications.

In this game we know that scum have fake identities, so an early name claim would be unlikely to help town.

Firyst I have not asked for a nameclaim. Second prove me the relevance of the names.
Tell me the powers you assume of the various loyalistnames. And we can look afterwards how right you are.
Tell me how 8 year old Arya Stark is clearly a powerfull name that implicates Tracker/Watcher.

[zakalwe]

Ok, I originally said it wouldn't take much to sway me back, and I don't think it's fair to expect more from Lewwyn than what he's delivered today.

So back to Coco it is.

[Serdoa]

I love the Arya Stark character, so just saying, she is PERFECTLY suited for Tracker/Watcher. Back in the shadows, unseen. Yeah, DEFINITELY!

[zakalwe]

Tell me how 8 year old Arya Stark is clearly a powerfull name that implicates Tracker/Watcher.

Expounding on that might violate the no spoilers rule (not sure), but like I said earlier: I played as Arya Stark in a completely unrelated game that also had a GoT theme, and like Ichabod, I was also a town investigator.

[Mattimeo]

Purely from a meta perspective, I'd think a bonus vote would be a town ability, or at worst an anti-town 3rd party ability. The lynch is our most powerful asset, giving the scum a double vote seems like it would make it very hard to balance the game fairly between the factions.

hm, point.

and I can see how it could be judged a strong enough role for the person possessing it to refrain from claiming it, too. Though I would think a town with such an ability would be disinclined to split their vote unless forced (tbh, I can't see scum splitting their vote unless forced either).

[Mattimeo]

(tbh, I can't see scum splitting their vote unless forced either)

*a scum with this ability

[Rowain]

Tell me how 8 year old Arya Stark is clearly a powerfull name that implicates Tracker/Watcher.

Expounding on that might violate the no spoilers rule (not sure), but like I said earlier: I played as Arya Stark in a completely unrelated game that also had a GoT theme, and like Ichabod, I was also a town investigator.

You know when you first mentioned it I was baffled that you really believe that the coincidence of wo unrelated games has any meaning and thought it a scum-tell but I guess you really believe it.

So who were the bad guys in your other game? Continuing your logic you should already have all the answers so spill them or are you a traitor who wants to keep his knowledge secret?

[Rowain]

Purely from a meta perspective, I'd think a bonus vote would be a town ability, or at worst an anti-town 3rd party ability. The lynch is our most powerful asset, giving the scum a double vote seems like it would make it very hard to balance the game fairly between the factions.

hm, point.

and I can see how it could be judged a strong enough role for the person possessing it to refrain from claiming it, too. Though I would think a town with such an ability would be disinclined to split their vote unless forced (tbh, I can't see scum splitting their vote unless forced either).

I agree with the town-part but scum would happily split his vote to saw chaos and misinformation. In fact scum would split it for sure unless necessary to save scum.
Think about it: Those that voted Brick are now suspected to be doublevoters. A scum voting somebody else would happily put his double vote on Brick to hide his power.

[zakalwe]

I agree that a scum with two votes would be likely to split them unless he needed both of them for a saving move.

@Rowain, the scum were:

Cersei Lannister
Tywin Lannister
Jaime Lannister
Grand Maester Pycelle
Petyr Baelish

Joffrey Baratheon was a serial killer.

All of the Starks in the game were town, and none of them were given as safe claims. So if I were you, I would feel like I had a pretty strong name to claim.

There's no need for ridicule, btw. I don't expect an identical setup in this game, but that doesn't mean that some characters aren't more likely to show up as town than (real name) scum. And every themed game will have at least some correlation between characters and abilities. (Sitting Bull was also a tracker...)