WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Serdoa]

I'm not really happy with your explanation Mattimeo. Lets reassess, shall we? Your posts:

1. RB#4: Explaining that you have an exam and won't have time.
2. RB#35: Voting coco after being asked for by Bigger to vote for someone.
3. RB#66: Answering to Bigger that your vote was essentially pointless, implying that you indeed did it only so that he would be satisfied.
4. QT#111: Showing up in QT, stating that you wished you had shown up before Tasunke so you could have abused the name-change-functionality (!)
5. QT#112: Joke to Rowain, asking if he is a girl now [he had claimed Sansa Stark shortly before]
6. QT#308: "double vote wasn't sourced from me either"
7. QT#390: Voting Tasunke. Stating that village should not already assume that we certainly have 2 wolf-packs. You then explain your vote with "the split personality thing [several names Tasunke used] can't be construed as town-friendly"
8. QT#391: Stating that you know that you are using the easy way out with your vote but with your exam next week Monday and QT you feel not really engaged
9. QT#395: You agree with novice that it was reasonably obvious that it was always Tasunke writing under different names but now that Tasunke has not spoken up against it, it is certain that it really was Tasunke who posted under multiple names
10. RB#95: Explaining again that you only were sure that really Tasunke was using multiple names after Tasunke didn't object to it. Then you explain your view of that

With regard to the split personality being any indication of scum: it's not the mere fact that he was having fun with multiple logins that I find disturbing (and I agree, that in itself seems relatively in-character for Tasunke). It's the way in which he did it (over-the-top antagonism) and then completely dropped the subject as soon as he was called on it that (to me) indicates malicious intent behind the actions, rather than "oh hey, quitopic lets you pretend to be people, let's have some fun."

11. RB#96: Vote for Tasunke
12. RB#162: You agree with zak that the double-vote is probably a scum-ability
13. RB#187: You answer zak in detail what you think about the double-vote.
14. RB#190: Replying to me that Tasunkes "split-personality" was bad because he did act like someone else acted for him.
15. RB#206: Agreeing with Azza that the double-vote is probably a town-ability
16. RB#207: correcting an error

Looking through all that on Day1 you didn't really play at all. Just lurk and see if anything comes up. I think the most interesting part though (apart from you playing it like a typcial lurker-wolf) is that you stated that you would have liked to have fun with the name-change-functionality of QT. That certainly was meant as a joke of course. But you see the possibilities one can have with it, you see that it could be "fun" and yet, when Tasunke does it, you vote for him. Thats why I asked what malicious intent you see behind it - because clearly you can see the fun behind it. And we all know how much Tasunke likes to have fun with that, it got him lynched in one of our WW-games. So from my point of view, it really makes no sense for you to vote Tasunke EXCEPT for doing an easy vote. What you yourself admit. What we have from you is:

Day 1: Lurking
Day 2: Meta-speculation + voting for Tasunke who is normally an easy mislynch with some added "No Time" comments

I really don't see how this is helping the village at all. You basically play the typical wolf-lurker-game. Do easy votes which no one questions, add that you don't have time and hope to live through to Day 4 or 5 with no real data on you. I don't like that. Coco and you are right now imo our two best lynches.

[coco]

I have a deadline nov 21, someone decided it is very important to build a road in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the winter. I hope to be done before wednesday, but I don't count on it, but I'm planning to take some time off after that.

When I'm not working I don't feel like sitting at the computer the few hours on my spare time right now. Everyone wants a piece of me, and WW17 sadly isn't very prioritised.

If you want to be rid of me now go ahead and lynch me, I probably wont be able to give any more time to this than I have so far until middle of next week anyway.

I'll just lay my vote on Mattimeo for self-preservation.

Also I am swedish, so my time is CET. Which makes the deadline perfect for me under ordinary conditions.

[zakalwe]

Excellent post by Serdoa. QT#111 is interesting indeed.

Mattimeo

[zakalwe]

Btw. Mardoc - why didn't you claim sooner?

[Mattimeo]

typcial lurker-wolf

teah, 'cause I'm playing so differently to all the other times I've been town, aren't I...

echoing coco above, self preservation. Unlikely to be around for all the last minute bullshit you guys like to do, unless I develop an interesting variation of sleepwalking, so may as well insure myself against it as best I can.

re the mardoc revelation:
gee, thanks for invalidating most of the actual thought I've put into this game
still reckon events paint TT more town than scum, though
also brings the BRick kill back to probably being about threat level, rather than confirmed town. Though I'd be wary about frame jobs on those he suspected (primarily novice and Lewwyn, iirc?)

[pindicator]

Excellent post by Serdoa. QT#111 is interesting indeed.

Mattimeo

I'm not convinced by 111. That sounds like an off-the-cuff remark anybody trying to joke around would make.

Need to go to work, so I have to wait to try to digest this last post by Sareln. I'm wary of it, considering how his last attack on Lewwyn I thought was a great point only to have Sareln wisely refute it. And then no follow-up from Serdoa about Sareln refuting it, that was what makes me wary now.

[Mattimeo]

Excellent post by Serdoa. QT#111 is interesting indeed.

Mattimeo

How many times do I have to say it. It's not the fact that he screwed around that I was disliking. It was the initial denying of it (I can't interpret abusing the 'pretend' posts as not outright denying involvement) followed by a complete lack of response to accusations about it until it became obvious that those accusations weren't just going to dissapear if he ignored them long enough.

also, he wasn't nearly abusive enough of the 'features' of QT that allow such shenanigans

[Serdoa]

Excellent post by Serdoa. QT#111 is interesting indeed.

Mattimeo

I'm not convinced by 111. That sounds like an off-the-cuff remark anybody trying to joke around would make.

Yes, this was a joke. The interesting part is that he made a joke about something he shortly afterwards sees as malicious. It just doesn't add up. When you think something is funny to do, why would you then accuse someone just because he did it? Especially Tasunke whom we all know to do exactly that. It is not even that I think Tasunke is innocent, it is that imo Mattimeo isn't adding up. He tries to explain it away with Tasunkes screaming at himself ("FUCK YOU LAZARUS") but for me that sounds like a reason he came up with AFTER being called on his vote. Together with him actually finding it funny first + lurking around it is enough for me that I feel safe to keep my vote on him.

[Serdoa]

Need to go to work, so I have to wait to try to digest this last post by Sareln. I'm wary of it, considering how his last attack on Lewwyn I thought was a great point only to have Sareln wisely refute it. And then no follow-up from Serdoa about Sareln refuting it, that was what makes me wary now.

Could you point me to which posts you mean? I read Sareln last post and he talked about Tasunke ("much noise"') and Mattimeo ("first thing to notice in the thread is Tasunkes acting") but for me didn't add anything new to the table. Also he voted Lewwyn, so I am not sure when he did refute an attack on him. And what should I have followed up... tbh, I am completely lost. That might be because I have fever but I somehow doubt it.

[Twinkletoes89]

I'm glad to see some more of the old Lewwyn since I was last online. I am still not certain on him but right now I think he's done enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt a little longer.

Coco I think is too easy a lynch right now. I think its too tempting for the bad guys to manipulate a few voters to trying to policy lynch someone quiet after the village has had a bad mislynch followed by a double night death. I stand by my belief that policy lynches are only worth a shot when we are completely desperate and I don't think we are there yet. That said, ever since Molach's wolf game where he kept making excuses for being absent, I don't think a free pass should be given. I would like to see some more analysis and contribution from coco over the rest of today and over the night if they are not lynched or I think they will have been given enough chances.

I'm not sold on Mattimeo. I too initially was annoyed at Tasunke using other aliases on QT - mainly because even though it said 'tasunke speaking', it didn't mean that it was definitely him. I have a pretty null read on whether those actions were scummy or not though and this is where I differ with Mattimeo. I think he may have jumped too much onto the very tempting 'lets lynch Tasunke' argument which comes about in every game because of his 'unorthodox' style.

I'm not a fan of Rowain's implicit character reveal. It didn't really seem like much to me to begin with as I felt we had bigger fish to fry than worry about that. But I do wonder why he did it. I mean there was no need to do it as he wasn't under immediate threat of lynching (when most claims come out) and trying to prove your 'innocence' on Day One is possibly the worst time to do it. You have no voting kudos to back you up as innocent and trustworthy with the vote and you give hints to the bad guys to come and kill you if they can't lynch you. Which, again, makes the Brick death even more odd. If I had the chance to kill as a bad guy, I would have gone for someone claiming Sansa Stark who would clearly be a loyalist.

The only two explanations I have are that he is lying and/or he has some kind of power which means that if he were attacked at night, he might be able to kill their attacker/defend themselves. Which might fit with his mention of 'Lady', which could protect Sansa - though Nymeria clearly didn't defend Arya. I just don't see it as very village at such an early stage.

I'm not liking Novice much in this game so far either. It feels so different to the last game, where he was active villager number one and while he stuck his neck out and got some calls wrong, he still put his neck out there and made a big push. This time I find that I barely notice his presence and that makes me very uneasy. I feel like he has hung on the name claim issue of Rowain since its happened, yet in one post I have explained the concerns about it a lot better than he ever has. Again that does not strike right with me.

Therefore, I think Lewwyn has proven worthy of hanging on to for a bit longer , coco's lynch is seemingly the easy way out of people having to make cases against anyone and Rowain and Matt are quite inconclusive.

I feel more convinced in my wariness of novice than the others so that's where I'm going for now