WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Twinkletoes89]

Another policy lynch vote?

See I expect a bit more thought and calculation in your theories, I know its early, but no analysis of voting record, comments about buddying up, insight that the Serdoa alignment reveal gave you?

We have found that independant 3rd parties exist(ed?) no real comment about that apart from it didnt suit Novice's play.

Do we expect to see another independent (littlefinger?)

Given it seems common thought is there are 2 scum factions what does that mean about team size, 2 teams of 2? ((cersei/jamie. stannis/melisandre?) If so which team does janos fit into and surely we also have a joffrey?) While this is meta, having a feel on how many ties and how much info the scum have would be useful.

while random noise is bad, I wuold like a bit more content from all players than 'coco doesnt post much'

In terms of Meta - I don't think two teams of 2 would work much, I think that would be too weak. I do think two teams might be out there though - probably a Lannister 3 (which I would put Janos Slynt in to stop it just being all Lannisters) and a Targaryan 2 or 3 (Daenarys & Viserys plus maybe Drogo?).

I might even think that there could be a separate vigilante out there, but could equally be loyalist aligned - maybe Beric Dondarrion, but that's probably pushing the meta too far.

I think novice might be a one-off independent - as Varys is quite a 'different' character to the others.

In terms of my thoughts on coco - I think Serdoa was definitely trying to push votes away from him. I think that because I always make the case against policy lynches, he could try and use me as cover if coco turned out to be a bad guy. Thus I think there could be an incriminating link there.

But, I remain convinced that this is too easy. I agree with you Jkaen that too many people take a policy lynch as an excuse to take a break from strong argument. I don't see much fervent case making and while I think Lewwyn is starting to do so and becoming much more useful, I still think zak might be leaving us wanting from what my usual expectations are of him.

He is giving more than quite a few people, especially thestick and Sareln (as annoyingly always), but normally by this time he is either dead or crusading a lot more strongly than normal. Its normally by now that I have arguments with him seeming to push the village strongly and this time he most certainly isn't.

Plus I am glad to see that my read on novice was right. He was playing differently to usual and although he isn't a traitor, he was still a threat to the village.

[zakalwe]

I think a lurker lynch is good in the absence of strong scum reads. If all lurkers were off the table, I might go for Rowain. Lots of information, some meta reasoning. More later, when I'm not on the iPad. Also, I'm not done retreading yet. Will post my thoughts on Serdoa then. I did lots of meta speculation yesterday, and you picked on me for that, too. I don't expect any more neutral players. Scum team + SK perhaps, but who knows.

[Jkaen]

Just to build up a bit more of a list before I head off, quoting two coco comments with no analysis at all seems fairly suspect as well, surely you could add analysis to what is interseting about them, or if that is your approach to handling data in the quick topic then why not bring out quotes from others?

It just seems lazy, which is not what I associate with you zak

[Jkaen]

In terms of Meta - I don't think two teams of 2 would work much, I think that would be too weak. I do think two teams might be out there though - probably a Lannister 3 (which I would put Janos Slynt in to stop it just being all Lannisters) and a Targaryan 2 or 3 (Daenarys & Viserys plus maybe Drogo?).

Based on post 1 Viserys isnt in the game I believe

In terms of my thoughts on coco - I think Serdoa was definitely trying to push votes away from him. I think that because I always make the case against policy lynches, he could try and use me as cover if coco turned out to be a bad guy. Thus I think there could be an incriminating link there.

I thought it was more a case of pushing them onto Mattimeo (which worked) rather than pushing them away from anybody

Plus I am glad to see that my read on novice was right. He was playing differently to usual and although he isn't a traitor, he was still a threat to the village.

Not critical at this time, but before people read too much into his suspects etc, we dont know he has a threat, he may well have been truly neutral

[zakalwe]

The Coco posts: if he was confusing Serdoa and Sareln, how did he know Serdoa hadn't posted?

Now fuck off, Jkaen. It's a fucking Sunday.

[Jkaen]

I did lots of meta speculation yesterday, and you picked on me for that, too.

To clarify I picked on it because I didnt agree with the statements, I made no comment on the amount or lack of meta

[Jkaen]

Now fuck off, Jkaen. It's a fucking Sunday.

What the heck is this?

[zakalwe]

I am sorry Jkaen, I had some pizza and feel much less grumpy now. I clearly said I was busy, but since you just asked me for a name, I gave it to you (Sareln). I have lots of thoughts about the game, but no time to compose them. Yet you keep nagging. To be called lazy is intensely annoying, when others who really should be pinging your sundar much more strongly are allowed to lurk so outrageously.

My fault for even posting at all, I guess.

[pindicator]

Ok, so the case on coco from what I understand if a policy lynch, then added on to people trawling his posts and reviewing them with observational bias. Unless I missed a case here I cannot get on board with that.

Did you miss any of my case against coco acting like typical noob scum, jkaen? Not wanting to put accusations on other people because he knows they are innocent? Lurking because that's the easy thing to do? Attacking Mattimeo for saying he has to be away and then lurking himself?

People continuing to call coco a "policy lynch" is starting to piss me off. Its a policy lynch only if you think that it's good policy to lynch the person you think most likely is scum. If I was pushing Sareln then you could accuse me of policy lynching lurkers.

Wait, didn't I argue this already?

And the issue with Serdoa was that Serdoa was pushing every target near the top except Coco. He wasn't even mentioning Coco or commenting on the arguments against him. Not until his last post of the day did he even mention there was a case on Coco, let alone comment on it.

Lewwyn's comment about Coco being a Red Herring gives me a little pause. I guess it's also possible that Serdoa could be pushing one loyal while fellow traitors are pushing other innocent targets, trying to spread out their influence. Since it's the weekend I guess i have some time to re-read

[pindicator]

@Coco:
If you are loyal then we need you to post who is suspicious and why you think that.