(November 18th, 2012, 09:19)zakalwe Wrote: I am sorry Jkaen, I had some pizza and feel much less grumpy now. I clearly said I was busy, but since you just asked me for a name, I gave it to you (Sareln). I have lots of thoughts about the game, but no time to compose them. Yet you keep nagging. To be called lazy is intensely annoying, when others who really should be pinging your sundar much more strongly are allowed to lurk so outrageously.
My fault for even posting at all, I guess.
It wasn't so much nagging as me being on and wanting to discuss the game, and you seeming to be one of the few others on at the same time
(November 18th, 2012, 09:22)pindicator Wrote: Did you miss any of my case against coco acting like typical noob scum, jkaen? Not wanting to put accusations on other people because he knows they are innocent? Lurking because that's the easy thing to do? Attacking Mattimeo for saying he has to be away and then lurking himself?
No in fairness you seemed to be putting a decent argument together (hence why I noted I didnt feel you were scummy anymore)
Lurking and not voting could be seen as scummy, or could be just newbishness. The Mattimeo comment I took as a joke. But I agree you dont see it as policy, but others it seem do.
Quote:And the issue with Serdoa was that Serdoa was pushing every target near the top except Coco. He wasn't even mentioning Coco or commenting on the arguments against him. Not until his last post of the day did he even mention there was a case on Coco, let alone comment on it.
Seen this a bit now, will reread but that wasn't my initial take the first time through
Looks like it was a good night for us; pretty much the only way to get a better night would be with both kills on traitors.
Coco before either of Zak or Lewwyn. Finding Pindicator's case quite good, especially when I think we can safely assume that Serdoa did not expect to die anytime soon.
(November 18th, 2012, 11:00)Jkaen Wrote: It wasn't so much nagging as me being on and wanting to discuss the game, and you seeming to be one of the few others on at the same time
Yeah I realize that, again I'm sorry. I'm done rereading now, and when I got to the end and saw that outburst of mine I can see how it might take you by surprise. It's just very frustrated that you start such a misguided attack on me when I've been contributing as much as I possibly can, and there are genuinely scummy people lurking in the shadows. Predictable, and frustrating. For the record, much as I got annoyed, you're still coming across as town.
Baby's crying. Will continue with actual content a bit later.
Right. About Serdoa's play. First of all day 1 - he joined me on Pindicator, putting him in pretty grave danger of hanging. So I'd say Pindicator is innocent. When I lost my nerve with Pindicator, he did not follow me on to Mardoc, but stayed on Pindicator until I switched back to him. However, when I moved to Bigger, Serdoa did follow, voting at the last minute and saying "Agree with you zak."
So why did he vote at the last minute like that? The only two explanations I can see are 1) for the hell of it and 2) because TT is scum. I'm still having a hard time seeing TT as scum, but this is definitely worth noting. It's unusual to see scum voting at the last minute like that just for the hell of it.
On day 2, Serdoa pushed Lewwyn in a way that marks him as pretty clearly innocent IMO. He then switched to pushing Mattimeo until he hung. However, he did actually switch from Lewwyn to Mattimeo while Lewwyn was still a couple of votes ahead of Coco. So it's not so clear cut that he was protecting Coco. In fact, after rereading I have to say I agree completely with what Lewwyn is saying here:
(November 17th, 2012, 20:22)Lewwyn Wrote: Now that you know Serdoa is guilty. Just read this:
(November 15th, 2012, 08:58)Serdoa Wrote: I'm kinda torn right now. I can see Lewwyns argument against Rowain and I agree with him. Rowain is much more relaxed it seems. On the other hand, I have made that argument some games ago already. I can't remember if Rowain was scum there but I think he was not. So he really might just take the game lighter.
On the other hand we have zaks argument against Lewwyn. I can see what he means, but tbh, what really makes me wary is the tone of Lewwyns posts. I'm not used to a Lewwyn that shows signs of self-criticism. And especially his post which declared basically everyone scum, just to show us that he is really lost, doesn't sound right to me. It sounds more like "Uh, I really can't get into a villager mindset, so lets just play the 'I'm lost'-card." And I don't expect that behaviour from him at all.
So, despite that I agree with him in regards to Rowain (which might actually just show that we indeed have 2 wolf-parties) I will vote for him.
Lewwyn
I mean have you ever heard more waffling to not vote for Rowain and also vote for me?
That post really does read like trying to cover his bases with Rowain while pushing someone else instead. (He also kept pushing a Lewwyn-Mattimeo connection throughout the day, btw. Lewwyn is very unlikely to be scum with Serdoa.) What's more, when Serdoa switched off Lewwyn, he didn't go after Rowain. Instead, just as Rowain might be gaining some traction, Serdoa switched to Mattimeo.
So while I think that move may have been to protect Coco, but it may equally well have been to protect Rowain. (For completeness, it may also have simply been Serdoa arbitrarily pushing a case on *someone*, because after all, that's what you need to do if you're Serdoa and trying to look innocent.)
Now some meta speculation. Why would Rowain name claim so early, with such a squeaky clean name claim? Why not save his claim, if he's town, so he has something up his sleeve if he gets pressured? I find this question particularly interesting, because I myself have a pretty scummy name, and I'm innocent. The scum get safe claims; flavor-wise, such claims are often wrapped up as "you know X is not here", or "you are disguised as X". So I keep thinking of Joffrey having Sansa locked up in some room, or something, or maybe just Sansa being straight-up duped to participate in a plot against the King.
I wanted to go through Coco's posts as well, but I keep getting distracted. So let me checkpoint this with a vote on Rowain.
Here are all of Coco's posts, both here and in the QT:
(November 11th, 2012, 11:38)coco Wrote:
(November 11th, 2012, 10:23)Mattimeo Wrote: Checking in.
Got an exam today, so unlikely to be very responsive 'til that's done with.
Right, an exam is more important than this.
Mattimeo
Anyway, off to sleep.
(November 11th, 2012, 19:36)coco Wrote:
(November 11th, 2012, 17:50)thestick Wrote:
(November 11th, 2012, 16:38)Loki Wrote: thestick seems to fold under pressure quickly so why not see if he's scum or not first.
I hate my past selves.
The best way to warm up in these cold, winter months is with hot coco. No, I haven't read/watched Game of Thrones.
I know a way or two to warm yourself up with the stick aswell, if you know what I mean.
(November 11th, 2012, 22:40)coco Wrote:
(November 11th, 2012, 21:24)Mattimeo Wrote: OMGUS coco (also for the combination of a smiley implying sarcasm with a true statement)
Oh noes, my humor is killing me.
The joke was implying sarcasm on a true statement. Implying sarcasm on a false statement is boring. See, I did it again.
Quote:So let's see if Coco is loco.
Hah, I may be loco, but I'm loyal the King.
coco, QT post 90 Wrote:AFK for a day and trying to catch up. First just a sidenote on my thestick comment, I didn't quite mean it to be a sexual joke. Ofc, when I look back it makes sense people read it that way.
So many posts, I bet I am mixing up people alot. Serdoa and Sareln especially. Btw, Serdoa is quiet, I wanna hear something from you.
coco, QT post 314 Wrote:Sucks that I missed the lynch deadline, I'm usually going to bed at that time so it should be perfect for me. Sorry serdoa, I missed you would be afk, but I meant to change the vote anyway later in the day. Maybe my vote could have changed things. I have to read through this again to see if I get a clue.
coco, QT post 330 Wrote:yeah, I won't have time to reread this today, work is killing me.
My feeling right now is that there are alot of villagers arguing for fear of getting lynched, I wouldn't be surprised if the larger part of the scum is just lurking.
(November 15th, 2012, 09:19)coco Wrote: Come on, I get you want me to talk, but I really don't have time. "Work is killing me" is the best excuse I have, because its true. I''ve barely had time to skim through the thread for the last couple of days. This wasn't exactly what I wanted when I signed up. I can't do much about it, just hope it gets better.
Anyway, the mess at the lynch and the nightactions should give you enough information to make a guess on what's going on.
Pindicator, TT and Rowain are my main suspects. Plus some lurkers I have no read on.
Rowain mostly because I don't get why he would name claim. From what I've seen of Rowain earlier he probably wouldn't nameclaim just for fun, so he probably have a reason, but I can't see it.
(November 15th, 2012, 09:42)coco Wrote: As I said, I've only been able to skim through it, most of my "reads" are probably things others have said wich I thought made sense.
My point was that you guys who are able to read the thread mutliple times should be able to find better reads in the lynch and nightactions. But I get the idea of voting for me instead of touching that mess.
Quote:And that has todo with the nightactions and the lynch? Why do I get the feeling that you are simply parroting others?
It has nothing to do with the lynch and the nightactions. I just think it was a weird play.
(November 16th, 2012, 11:01)coco Wrote: I have a deadline nov 21, someone decided it is very important to build a road in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the winter. I hope to be done before wednesday, but I don't count on it, but I'm planning to take some time off after that.
When I'm not working I don't feel like sitting at the computer the few hours on my spare time right now. Everyone wants a piece of me, and WW17 sadly isn't very prioritised.
If you want to be rid of me now go ahead and lynch me, I probably wont be able to give any more time to this than I have so far until middle of next week anyway.
I'll just lay my vote on Mattimeo for self-preservation.
Also I am swedish, so my time is CET. Which makes the deadline perfect for me under ordinary conditions.
My thoughts: Like I said earlier, it's a bit strange that he says he'll be mixing up Serdoa and Sareln, and then immediately votes Serdoa for not having posted. Also, he makes sure to mention Serdoa again after the lynch, as if he wants everybody to remember that he voted for Serdoa. Could be noobish scum play here, placing way too much emphasis on distancing. Interestingly, he also votes for Rowain later. I think he seems up-to-date when he posts; he just keeps saying that he's only skimmed. So I don't entirely buy the "completely absent villager" theory from Lewwyn, but that is obviously possible. I looked at all of Coco's posts (in all threads) earlier, and I noticed that he also dropped out from some other games that he had signed up for.
So IDK. If he really has gone completely absent, maybe we'll luck out with a modkill. We really should have lynched Coco yesterday. But Rowain could still be a smarter lynch today.
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