Zak and Rowain is tough. I think they are both wolves and vote for both of them. In reaction to this, Zak votes for Rowain = "Hey Lewwyn get off my back." Then Rowain throws a fit and votes for himself even though only Zak is voting for him. So now both of them are voting for Rowain in a meaningless way because nobody else is currently on them. Zak waits an "appropriate" amount of time, hears someone else's theory about scum and hops on the train early, without a second thought about Rowain.
Zak doesn't even stop to talk about why Rowain is voting for himself. He doesn't even question it. Zak is voting for Rowain at the time. You don't think village Zak is going to bring it up?? You don't think village Zak is going to give Rowain a hard time about it? Especially since Zak had just suddenly thought maybe Rowain was suspicious? And then he wakes up and drops his Rowain vote out of the blue without a single comment about Rowain's self-vote.
A note about Rowain self-voting. I believe he has done it twice. Once in WW2 when he was scum. And once in a later game where he was under a lot of pressure, and I mean a lot, and then self voted himself. He was lynched wolf in the first case and lynched village in second case. The difference is that in the second case he was under heavy pressure with multiple votes on him. At the point in which he self voted here? It was after Jkaen and I had MOVED OFF OF HIM and Zak had moved onto him. He wasn't truly under the same amount of pressure.
Ladies and gentlemen, enter red herring #2, TwinkleToes. Take a bow TT because you're being sent up the river next to Coco. I do not blame Pindicator because I think that there is a case to be made. But I also know that wolves do things to frame other people when they are voting just in case they are caught. And TT's terrible self-preservation vote still lingers.
This village is a bunch of followers, but you're following the wrong arguments. I'll reiterate my vote, Zakalwe. Stand strong Jkaen. Do not be fooled village.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(November 19th, 2012, 02:45)Qgqqqqq Wrote: @sareln, uber says if no lynch is most popular there is no kill.
kinda dont like th e lack of response from coco, but really dont want to kill TTs.
*sigh* guess we go for Azza then. Reasoning? His posts feel really weird...just off I suppose. Others have mentioned one specific post, yet for me it is just a general feel. Yes I know these arguments suck for responding to and ill probably be back on coco come lynchtime but for now, Azza.
Qgqqqqq please do not do this. If you don't have a strong read at least follow mine. DO not lemming us into extinction.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
Another thing for those voting for Coco. Coco has not posted at all yet today. I don't believe he posted last night. It is very possible that he may miss the day completely. That is not the sign of a wolf. There's even a chance Coco get modkilled like Arromir was last game. Please vote somewhere that a vote counts.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
Sareln your post looked big, but here's what you said:
(November 19th, 2012, 01:46)Sareln Wrote: Coco: Lurker Lynch + Some suspicion based on opening (hi guys, I'm new and am tooootally not scum, honest!) + him not being in trouble yesterday by virtue of Serdoa pushing hard on Mattimeo. Really just blank though.
TT: Moving part in Zak's day one conjecture with Serdoa and Rowain. Part of the 3-way tie on day 1 with Bigger/BRick, so flipping him will also give us a better idea of what was going on, day 1. Making the easiest vote in the world on Coco, btw, pure policy.
I'm going to swap over to Twinkletoes89
That's it. In terms of contributions there is barely anything here. If anyone should be a lurker lynch ITS YOU! Your tone in this post is objective, cold and distant. You look as though you are simply reading cliff's notes for your vote. There is no effort whatsoever here. This is a far cry from the "lurking" village Sareln we lynched last game.
You sir are now my third wolf:
Zakalwe
Rowain
Sareln
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
Here are all of Serdoa's posts (I hope). Just putting it here, for easier consumption. Apparently, spoiler tags don't nest (guess that explains why Tasunke hasn't abused them yet), so I had to disable the inner spoiler tags.
Serdoa, QT post 175 Wrote:I am back from my trip (as novice and all PB8 players can guess [as I played my turns] for around 2 hours by now).
As for the TT / Bigger / Ichabod-thing: I'm a little surprised about what was posted tbh. Why is it so surprising for some that TT got pissed at Biggers comment. For me that seems absolutely in line with what you'd expect from TT. And arguing that he used it as an escape (like Ichabod did) is something that we can do with basically every post. "Yeah, he acted like you would expect, but just because we expected it"... yeah, right. Maybe because he is like that? Could be a possibility eh? ... The same goes for Bigger imo. He told me last game when we were Masons that he likes to aggravate people to get a reaction from them which he then uses to tell if that player is genuine and therefore probably innocent or not. I completely disagree with this style and would rather lose than play like that, but that still seems typical Bigger for me. So again, using that as an explanation for his scuminess doesn't make sense for me. I understand that for TT (I would be pissed at Bigger as well quite honestly after such a comment), but everyone not emotionally involved should imo just relate to TT but tell him that Bigger is probably just Bigger. Unfortunately all that stuff tells us nothing about their guilt imo, but it sure did waste much of the first day. Great job!
Anyhow, I have a third one involved deeply in this spectacle. Ichabod. Your argument seems to be that you suspected TT already because of how he started the game. That is something I can relate to, at the start you don't have much more to go on than stuff like that. But your follow-up is making no sense for me. You agree that Biggers argument is bad. But you argue then that MJW (and others) didn't get quite as angry about similar comments. Aren't those other people than TT though? Why does their reaction have anything to do with him? It reads for me more like you have already decided on his guilt and now just try to prove it to us. I can't remember that you normally crusade, but on the other hand, I know that you are trusting your gut feel. So, do I read this correctly that your gut feel is just that TT is guilty and after you've decided on that you started to look for "arguments" to give your gut feel some "meat"?
Other stuff:
As for the BRick-case: Can someone give me a quick run-down on what that case actually is?
As for the Lewwyn-Loki-stuff: I don't believe we can read neither guilt nor innocence into that.
Lastly I wanted to give some thoughts on the zakalwe-case that was tried to make. I don't think zak acted unusual at all till now and agree with him that making the argument that he hasn't delivered enough on Day 1 is unfair. It is Day 1 after all. That leads me to Pindicator. I think his sexual comments were really made just because he wants to take the game lightly. So I was a little bit surprised by the discussions about it. But I then read his big post which did mention zak and that included the accusation that I wrote about above. Obviously I don't like that as I don't feel it is fair to make that statement on Day 1. And that pindicator makes it does seem off to me because he should imo know from experience that on Day 1 no one can be expected to deliver deep thoughts - most of the stuff posted is often not even at the end of the game telling, let alone in the first few hours. That doesn't sit right with me, therefore: pindicator
-- post 176 --
And there are several new posts already... going to read them now.
-- post 177 --
And it is pindicator
Serdoa, QT post 183 Wrote:Yeah, I see what you mean Ichabod. I did understand you wrong on that one, sorry. Though I have to say I personally can believe that TT "revenge"-votes Bigger. I think TT does take things more personally than many of us and if he is innocent, I expect him to accuse anyone who votes for him and has a bad reasoning. Even if it would only be a bad reasoning in his eyes. Quite honestly, only a few games ago I was reacting exactly like that. If someone votes for me, he certainly is a wolf, because I am innocent and only a blind, deaf idiot would not see that. So, everyone who does not see it has to be a wolf.
(Sorry TT, don't want to piss you off, but I just think you are looking at things too much at from your perspective and with your knowledge and forget that others don't have that.)
Serdoa, QT post 241 Wrote:Bigger Agree with you zak.
Serdoa, QT post 257 Wrote:Could be mine as well @Rowain. But yeah, thats bad, as that would clarify that tie completely.
Serdoa, QT post 273 Wrote:I actually agree with uberfish on this point. Yeah, it is bad as I assume by now that you are a villager, but it is as bad to let you live now. Whatever we do, it will be slightly altered. And tbh, I'd rather have the vote as it should have been on RB than having something else just because the forums-software here is ... odd.
Serdoa, QT post 325 Wrote:@Jkaen: uberfish did not show that double-vote in his other vote-counts, so I would agree with Rowain that someone deliberately chose to use his power.
@Rowain: I think I found a way to sort it a little bit. Not sure yet. Right now I can export it to Excel and use a formula to mark all lines which are part of the same post. Have to see if I can somehow export this into a database and sort it. Or some other fun stuff. Will of course only work for the posts I exported (till 320 right now). But would be better than nothing. Maybe some of our code-gurus can do that better though, I'm just messing around with stuff I only half a little bit of knowledge about tbh.
Serdoa, QT post 334 Wrote:Ok, found a way to put it into an excel-table which can be sorted. The posts from RB are missing of course, no clue if I can get them in as well. I really need to work now, instead of doing that. I'll upload it probably sometimes later today on dropbox for everyone to look at.
-- post 335 --
Here is the link to the excel-table. If someone can export all messages from the RB-thread (without signatures and all the other crap, just message, post number and poster) then I can probably add those as well.
Just use the table "Overview", the other are just used to get the data in that format. And yes, I am certain that can be done much easier, quicker and so on. I have no clue about that stuff. It works, thats enough for me.
Serdoa, QT post 349 Wrote:Sorry for that BRick. I did that while work and I am ill (after I slept on the hotel room floor...) to boot. I'll correct it later on when I feel better.
(November 15th, 2012, 08:58)Serdoa Wrote: I'm kinda torn right now. I can see Lewwyns argument against Rowain and I agree with him. Rowain is much more relaxed it seems. On the other hand, I have made that argument some games ago already. I can't remember if Rowain was scum there but I think he was not. So he really might just take the game lighter.
On the other hand we have zaks argument against Lewwyn. I can see what he means, but tbh, what really makes me wary is the tone of Lewwyns posts. I'm not used to a Lewwyn that shows signs of self-criticism. And especially his post which declared basically everyone scum, just to show us that he is really lost, doesn't sound right to me. It sounds more like "Uh, I really can't get into a villager mindset, so lets just play the 'I'm lost'-card." And I don't expect that behaviour from him at all.
So, despite that I agree with him in regards to Rowain (which might actually just show that we indeed have 2 wolf-parties) I will vote for him.
Lewwyn
(November 15th, 2012, 09:17)Serdoa Wrote: Tasunke, just as a reminder.. we do not play "How could a theoretical WW-game look like?" we play WW17. Don't you think it is time to stop fooling around and actually doing something? Quite honestly, wasn't it for the double-kills, I would vote for you right now, just so I don't have to read through dozen of posts which have nothing to do with this game.
(November 15th, 2012, 09:32)Serdoa Wrote:
(November 15th, 2012, 09:21)Mardoc Wrote: That means you think he's a loyalist? Personally I think his lack of direct engagement is a slight wolftell.
No, it means I have no clue what he is because he didn't post anything meaningful and I'd rather vote for someone I suspect than just make a shot in the dark hoping to hit something. I'll do that if there is nothing better to go on, but right now, I see at least two players acting differently than I would expect.
(November 15th, 2012, 06:34)Mattimeo Wrote: thank fuck, back in an actually usable format...
novice: while I had assumed Lazarus == Tasunke from the occurrance, I wasn't completely sure, given the ease with which one can change the name associated with their post on quicktopic, and the obvious framing uses this lends itself to. It was the fact that, after several people had pointed out that Lazarus was probably Tasunke, no objection to this being the case was forthcoming from Tasunke that completely convinced me that it was actually Tasunke, and not someone imitating him in a convincing manner.
With regard to the split personality being any indication of scum: it's not the mere fact that he was having fun with multiple logins that I find disturbing (and I agree, that in itself seems relatively in-character for Tasunke). It's the way in which he did it (over-the-top antagonism) and then completely dropped the subject as soon as he was called on it that (to me) indicates malicious intent behind the actions, rather than "oh hey, quitopic lets you pretend to be people, let's have some fun."
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I'm still not getting that. If he had faked a name from the actual players I would have understood. If he had not written "Tasunke speaking" in his posts, I would understood. But he has not faked another player and he has clearly stated that he was writing those messages. You again state that you see malicious intent behind his actions. Please, explain what you expected this malicious intent to be. WHAT was he actually gunning for that was so bad?
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(November 15th, 2012, 10:11)Tasunke Wrote: Anyways, at least Mardoc was just applying standard pressure. Mattimeo's post, however, I would consider bizzare. Or rather, those three bizzare posts I posted? That was in response (in a way) to Mattimeo's post. I probably just should have called him out on being the only one to think the Taz/Laz thing was malicious.
So anyways, yes I think he *is*, as you say, looking for the easy way out. (someone easy to make a fake case against ... but the case he presented doesn't really seem to hold water).
Therefore, I think I'll have to switch my vote to Mattimeo
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Not thought I would say that ever, but yeah, I can agree with you Tasunke. Mattimeo
Novice I think I'm going to lean village with Mattimeo. In particular his first post was this:
(November 11th, 2012, 10:23)Mattimeo Wrote: Checking in.
Got an exam today, so unlikely to be very responsive 'til that's done with.
It's the first page. Wouldn't he throw a joke vote out if he were scum? Also as little as he has posted, the first post he does in the QT states his dislike for the QT and a later post mentions his lack of feeling engaged based on being forced to use the QT. When he said that it resonated with me because I was having a harder time staying engaged in the QT as well. Overall I actually think his behavior has been consistent.
Meanwhile I went back and looked at Rowain again, in particular the area where you were pressuring him. To me it seems like even though Rowain is being attacked and he is poking you back, he doesn't have that edge he has when he's a villager that makes everyone want to lynch him. It's like he's holding back. Serious caginess. Reminds me of WW2 in which Rowain was the final wolf left alive. In that game we were allowed to use out of forum contact and I had several exchanges with Rowain. (Oh to be a noobly WW player again). During those exchanges Rowain was so cagy and distrustful but appeasing and smooth. And I'm seeing that again. Out of everyone I'm most confident about Rowain. He's tripped my spidey senses the most.
Fun fact, in WW2 on the final day Rowain tells me he's going to vote however I vote no matter what, I vote for him and he votes for himself too.
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Any reason why you completely ignored what Tasunke said Lewwyn? You believe Mattimeo that he wasn't that engaged because of the QT, but on the other hand, he was engaged enough to see and call "malicious intent" on Tasunkes play. I'm a little surprised why that is ignored as I think his whole "I have no time" "I can't get engaged in the QT" "I'll vote Tasunke, he is always easy to lynch" does sound much more like a wolf searching an easy way out imo.
I still wait on an answer to the post I quoted below. You clearly had time to post here, but you completely ignored my post. Why? Thinking you only have two votes against you, so it is safe to simply ignore it and hope it goes away?
(November 15th, 2012, 14:52)Serdoa Wrote: I'm still not getting that. If he had faked a name from the actual players I would have understood. If he had not written "Tasunke speaking" in his posts, I would understood. But he has not faked another player and he has clearly stated that he was writing those messages. You again state that you see malicious intent behind his actions. Please, explain what you expected this malicious intent to be. WHAT was he actually gunning for that was so bad?
Instead of answering, you posted this:
(November 15th, 2012, 22:15)Mattimeo Wrote: As someone who was voting BRick, and wasn't online at the time... you actually make a decent case here, as much as it impacts my own survival chances to agree with it.
Though, if it's a scum ability (and I agree with your reasoning as to why it probably is), I'd think it more likely to be a secret second vote, rather than their normal vote counting twice, simply for the ease in which such a double vote can be pinpointed - rather a liability for scum.
Thats the only post you made after I questioned your behaviour against Tasunke. A meta-speculation. Also interesting that you agree with zak (and explain that this would hurt your survival chances) but then you come up with an explanation for the double-vote that takes you out of the equation. Why didn't you start with that? Did you just try to buddy up to zak by agreeing with him?
Novice I think I'm going to lean village with Mattimeo. In particular his first post was this:
(November 11th, 2012, 10:23)Mattimeo Wrote: Checking in.
Got an exam today, so unlikely to be very responsive 'til that's done with.
It's the first page. Wouldn't he throw a joke vote out if he were scum? Also as little as he has posted, the first post he does in the QT states his dislike for the QT and a later post mentions his lack of feeling engaged based on being forced to use the QT. When he said that it resonated with me because I was having a harder time staying engaged in the QT as well. Overall I actually think his behavior has been consistent.
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We had earlier the discussion in which zakalwe stated that the argument that he is still alive and therefore Lewwyn is probably innocent is just bad. I agree with that. It is as bad as the argument Lewwyn makes here. "Yeah, he is not scum, he would make a joke vote if he were." Also remember how he dances around the question if Mattimeo is scum or not.
(November 16th, 2012, 00:03)Lewwyn Wrote: About Mattimeo. I still don't know for sure where I stand there. I keep going back and forth between him being scum and village because I keep remembering Matt being a townie in the SMAC game and acting exactly the same and getting lynched for it. But then I also know he was sort of like that last game. I can't remember if he felt that the QT was cumbersome in the wolf thread last game... I do remember him posting a lot in the wolf thread though.
Another: "I don't want to vote for Mattimeo but he actually really looks bad. I'll try to keep middle-ground and not say anything." Thats the theme every time Lewwyn got asked about Mattimeo. Especially the last sentence I find kind of funny: I'm not sure if he liked the QT but he sure posted much in it. What do you want to tell us with that Lewwyn? That we should not believe him that the QT is cumbersome? That we should believe him? That you actually just don't want to say anything about it at all?
(November 16th, 2012, 04:44)Rowain Wrote: @novice You protected the wolf uberfish in WW8 lynched me and lost the game. You protected Gasspar and proceeded to lynch me the last game and low and behold Gaspar won the game as wolf. And now we havbe the same in repeat. So please go on do what you want ybut believe me you are again a total idiot.
Rowain, thats fine and all, but it actually doesn't answer novices question at all. Any reason for that?
(November 16th, 2012, 06:20)Serdoa Wrote: I love the Arya Stark character, so just saying, she is PERFECTLY suited for Tracker/Watcher. Back in the shadows, unseen. Yeah, DEFINITELY!
(November 16th, 2012, 10:46)Serdoa Wrote: I'm not really happy with your explanation Mattimeo. Lets reassess, shall we? Your posts:
1. RB#4: Explaining that you have an exam and won't have time.
2. RB#35: Voting coco after being asked for by Bigger to vote for someone.
3. RB#66: Answering to Bigger that your vote was essentially pointless, implying that you indeed did it only so that he would be satisfied.
4. QT#111: Showing up in QT, stating that you wished you had shown up before Tasunke so you could have abused the name-change-functionality (!)
5. QT#112: Joke to Rowain, asking if he is a girl now [he had claimed Sansa Stark shortly before]
6. QT#308: "double vote wasn't sourced from me either"
7. QT#390: Voting Tasunke. Stating that village should not already assume that we certainly have 2 wolf-packs. You then explain your vote with "the split personality thing [several names Tasunke used] can't be construed as town-friendly"
8. QT#391: Stating that you know that you are using the easy way out with your vote but with your exam next week Monday and QT you feel not really engaged
9. QT#395: You agree with novice that it was reasonably obvious that it was always Tasunke writing under different names but now that Tasunke has not spoken up against it, it is certain that it really was Tasunke who posted under multiple names
10. RB#95: Explaining again that you only were sure that really Tasunke was using multiple names after Tasunke didn't object to it. Then you explain your view of that
Quote:With regard to the split personality being any indication of scum: it's not the mere fact that he was having fun with multiple logins that I find disturbing (and I agree, that in itself seems relatively in-character for Tasunke). It's the way in which he did it (over-the-top antagonism) and then completely dropped the subject as soon as he was called on it that (to me) indicates malicious intent behind the actions, rather than "oh hey, quitopic lets you pretend to be people, let's have some fun."
11. RB#96: Vote for Tasunke
12. RB#162: You agree with zak that the double-vote is probably a scum-ability
13. RB#187: You answer zak in detail what you think about the double-vote.
14. RB#190: Replying to me that Tasunkes "split-personality" was bad because he did act like someone else acted for him.
15. RB#206: Agreeing with Azza that the double-vote is probably a town-ability
16. RB#207: correcting an error
Looking through all that on Day1 you didn't really play at all. Just lurk and see if anything comes up. I think the most interesting part though (apart from you playing it like a typcial lurker-wolf) is that you stated that you would have liked to have fun with the name-change-functionality of QT. That certainly was meant as a joke of course. But you see the possibilities one can have with it, you see that it could be "fun" and yet, when Tasunke does it, you vote for him. Thats why I asked what malicious intent you see behind it - because clearly you can see the fun behind it. And we all know how much Tasunke likes to have fun with that, it got him lynched in one of our WW-games. So from my point of view, it really makes no sense for you to vote Tasunke EXCEPT for doing an easy vote. What you yourself admit. What we have from you is:
Day 1: Lurking
Day 2: Meta-speculation + voting for Tasunke who is normally an easy mislynch with some added "No Time" comments
I really don't see how this is helping the village at all. You basically play the typical wolf-lurker-game. Do easy votes which no one questions, add that you don't have time and hope to live through to Day 4 or 5 with no real data on you. I don't like that. Coco and you are right now imo our two best lynches.
(November 16th, 2012, 11:59)Serdoa Wrote:
(November 16th, 2012, 11:50)pindicator Wrote:
(November 16th, 2012, 11:40)zakalwe Wrote: Excellent post by Serdoa. QT#111 is interesting indeed.
Mattimeo
I'm not convinced by 111. That sounds like an off-the-cuff remark anybody trying to joke around would make.
Yes, this was a joke. The interesting part is that he made a joke about something he shortly afterwards sees as malicious. It just doesn't add up. When you think something is funny to do, why would you then accuse someone just because he did it? Especially Tasunke whom we all know to do exactly that. It is not even that I think Tasunke is innocent, it is that imo Mattimeo isn't adding up. He tries to explain it away with Tasunkes screaming at himself ("FUCK YOU LAZARUS") but for me that sounds like a reason he came up with AFTER being called on his vote. Together with him actually finding it funny first + lurking around it is enough for me that I feel safe to keep my vote on him.
(November 16th, 2012, 12:08)Serdoa Wrote:
(November 16th, 2012, 11:50)pindicator Wrote: Need to go to work, so I have to wait to try to digest this last post by Sareln. I'm wary of it, considering how his last attack on Lewwyn I thought was a great point only to have Sareln wisely refute it. And then no follow-up from Serdoa about Sareln refuting it, that was what makes me wary now.
Could you point me to which posts you mean? I read Sareln last post and he talked about Tasunke ("much noise"') and Mattimeo ("first thing to notice in the thread is Tasunkes acting") but for me didn't add anything new to the table. Also he voted Lewwyn, so I am not sure when he did refute an attack on him. And what should I have followed up... tbh, I am completely lost. That might be because I have fever but I somehow doubt it.
(November 17th, 2012, 17:32)Serdoa Wrote: Pindicator, I'm not exactly sure if I understand you. I did follow my case on Mattimeo which I felt was very good (which it wasn't unfortunately, sorry for that Matt). Apart from stating that coco would be a good lynch as well (and that only later because at the start the whole case on him consisted of several people posting his name without anything behind it, indicating they just want to get him to talk) what else should I have done?
Well, I guess I may as well put forward my current rankings too:
Innocent:
Jkaen
Lean Innocent:
Lewwyn (agreeing with most of his arguments, seems keen on hunting)
Pindicator (after day 1, all his posts seem villagerish, coming forward with reasonable independant theories etc)
Mardoc (null read psot wise, power makes me lean village)
Coco (seems to be a set up job, hence innocent)
Middle Ground:
Qgqqqq (No real tells at all)
Sareln (Few posts to get a feel from)
Lean Wolf:
Twinkletoes89 (Crazy play, and pind makes a reasonable case, but gut says he is being set up)
Azza (low post count, and 'that' post)
Thestick (very low posts, most in opening joke phase, hiding too much)
Tasunke (Again much crazyness, especially with the fake name thing)
Rowain (silly self voting and atagonistic behaviour, could be considered his standard play, but feels slightly off)
Wolfy:
Zakalwe (His play just isnt what I expect at all. I dont think I have ever seen him explode at somebody before either like he did at me)
Lost a post.
Summary: and a few more apparently.
Like Lewwyns theory, only isste is I hate conditional multi-scum theories. Still willing to consider it zakalwe.
Erebus in the Balance - a FFH Modmod based around balancing and polishing FFH for streamlined competitive play.
(November 19th, 2012, 02:58)Lewwyn Wrote: You sir are now my third wolf:
Zakalwe
Rowain
Sareln
So you think at the end of day 1, three wolves (me, Serdoa, and Rowain) suddenly piled on to Bigger (or attempted doing so)? Both I and Serdoa had previously said we thought Bigger was innocent (can't recall what Rowain said about him). Yet you don't think TT is a wolf?
If TT is innocent, why would the scum kill Ichabod? He was extremely set on lynching TT, why not let him live and deliver a mislynch? Or alternatively, why do you think the scum killed Brick, if that's your theory? Finally, (the big ugly meta question) why would Uberfish consider calling a draw?
Yesterday I started out with a theory that made sense, but eventually started feeling I was on the wrong track. So I put my pride aside and changed my mind. Now it's your turn to do the same.
