WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Lewwyn]

Lost a post.
Summary: and a few more apparently.
Like Lewwyns theory, only isste is I hate conditional multi-scum theories. Still willing to consider it zakalwe.

Its fine to consider it a single scum theory. You can consider Rowain innocent, and Zak still comes off a wolf. He still didn't push Rowain on the self-vote and he still is mostly hopping on other theories, aka the TT. Zak is also the one who championed the lurker lynch During night 1 Day 2 even though pushing lurkers is a waste of our day because you don't get information out of someone who isn't there, a la, Coco.

Personally I think they are both scum, but I actually think Zak is more scummy than Rowain right now, and In addition I think they are both independently scummy.

It is a complete waste to sit on Coco and wait for a response instead of actively scumhunting other people.

[Jkaen]

You sir are now my third wolf:

Zakalwe
Rowain
Sareln

So you think at the end of day 1, three wolves (me, Serdoa, and Rowain) suddenly piled on to Bigger (or attempted doing so)? Both I and Serdoa had previously said we thought Bigger was innocent (can't recall what Rowain said about him). Yet you don't think TT is a wolf?

If TT is innocent, why would the scum kill Ichabod? He was extremely set on lynching TT, why not let him live and deliver a mislynch? Or alternatively, why do you think the scum killed Brick, if that's your theory? Finally, (the big ugly meta question) why would Uberfish consider calling a draw?

Yesterday I started out with a theory that made sense, but eventually started feeling I was on the wrong track. So I put my pride aside and changed my mind. Now it's your turn to do the same.

Zak,

Right now I don't know who the scum has killed (you may ) as obviously all the kills at night are not down to a single scum faction

[zakalwe]

If you want to lynch Rowain first, Lewwyn, that's fine. I'm on board with that, too, because they are clearly very closely linked. Just stop rationalizing everything to suit your "Zak is scum" theory.

@Jkaen. I think it's a fair assumption that scum killed either Brick or Ichabod, no? Man, you're really pushing my buttons here..

[Jkaen]

Zak I have TT leaning wolf, but to argue the case I think favoured theory right now is 2 scum factions. Hence one scum faction could kill somebody the other wanted alive.

But for scum theories how about 'the scum killed Ichabod to seem like they were protecting TT to get him mislynched'

[Lewwyn]

You sir are now my third wolf:

Zakalwe
Rowain
Sareln

So you think at the end of day 1, three wolves (me, Serdoa, and Rowain) suddenly piled on to Bigger (or attempted doing so)? Both I and Serdoa had previously said we thought Bigger was innocent (can't recall what Rowain said about him). Yet you don't think TT is a wolf?

If TT is innocent, why would the scum kill Ichabod? He was extremely set on lynching TT, why not let him live and deliver a mislynch? Or alternatively, why do you think the scum killed Brick, if that's your theory? Finally, (the big ugly meta question) why would Uberfish consider calling a draw?

Yesterday I started out with a theory that made sense, but eventually started feeling I was on the wrong track. So I put my pride aside and changed my mind. Now it's your turn to do the same.

As I just posted above I think you are scummier than Rowain and I think independently you are both scummy.

Day 1 is freaking crazy, wolves can basically get away with anything. There was very little time. Last game Gaspar was scum and he vote at the end just missing the deadline. Thestick voted for Mattimeo his scum buddy before not voting at all. Everything swings and its both wolfs and villagers who do it. Last game there was no plan and everything went crazy and all the scum were voting independently. I think we have to look beyond Day 1 voting at this point and I have. Yesterday I felt lost because I was so focused on it. But I'm not basing my reads off Day 1 last minute votes anymore.

Why would scum kill Ichabod? Are you kidding me? Ichabod was the only person I trusted Day 1. He was a shining beacon of scumhunting incisiveness. It doesn't matter who he was on he's a scary player. Last game you were dead set on lynching Ichabod before Day 2 started and we killed you anyway. Its the same principle here. Best case scenario it frames TT the villager and removes an active, aware threat, worst case it removes an active aware threat. The fact that you bring up this line or reasoning is even MORE scummy!

Awww, you want me to have gratitude that you stopped "hunting" me yesterday after it became clear I was a villager and turn the other cheek? It's too bad that every post is screaming wolf to me.

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If we`re doing lists (not like i got shouted atin '16 for this or anything)

Innocent lean:
Q
TT
Lewwyn
JKaen

Neutral
coco (lewkis right probable modkill)
tasunke
pindi
sareln
thestick

wolf lean
Rowain
azza
mardoc
rowain

@zak to setup arguments like yours (+icha strong player)

[Rowain]

Do some hunting.

Lets start with Lewwyn: Making an attack full of 'misinterpretations' is unlike Lewwyns play. But (and zthats why I moved away from him last day) I got more the impression he wants to get lynched but thinking that line rather leads to futile meta-speculation. Perhapswith time we will get a better picture about him.

Continuing with zak: There are several points I don't like about zak in this game:
For example

By the way, I was also Arya Stark in the other GoT-themed game that I played in, and I was also a town investigator in that game. I think that goes to show that character names can carry some significance.

Then his outburst vs Jkaen. Not only is this totally untypical for zak it also seems a bit faked. And thirdly his wavering around on day. Especially his excuse aftr the deed is done:

To add shortly before the nicght1 ends he declare himself as tempted to push pindi again. But when the day starts he beginns with his attack on coco.
Stil I'm not sure what to make of him. He reminds me more of (villager) zak in ww7 than as wolf zak so again I'll wait and see what further happens.

Third coco: The easy target. It seems to be too easy but we had such things in the past. What helds my vote in his case is imple the company I would get OTOH if something looks like a duck, swims like one and quacks the chances are high it is a duck. If forced to vote for one right now it would be him. So if you are a villager coco please find the time to think and contribute abit.

4th Twinkletoes89: Serdoas very late jump looks very bad. Not to forget that Ichabod(who would have pushed very hard for him again) got killed that night.

5th: thestick: He was my wolf-partner in WW13 the game in which I (falsly) claimed seer and announced zak as wolf(which he incidentally was) so he should know better than this:
[quote='thestick' pid='310864' dateline='1353223512']
Rowain seems to be pretty aggressive in his defence, as well as a bit... pointed? It doesn't seem like something a scum would do, scum would probably back off and hide.

So much for my suspects:

In my innocentlist there are currently: pindicator, Jkaen and Sareln

PS I know this is a major crosspost so it is with reading done till post 385 (my last post)

[Lewwyn]

If you want to lynch Rowain first, Lewwyn, that's fine. I'm on board with that, too, because they are clearly very closely linked. Just stop rationalizing everything to suit your "Zak is scum" theory.

@Jkaen. I think it's a fair assumption that scum killed either Brick or Ichabod, no? Man, you're really pushing my buttons here..

I don't see how I'm "rationalizing everything". I'm reading your posts. They are scummy.

[Lewwyn]

wolf lean
Rowain
azza
mardoc
rowain

That's some quality Rowaining.

[zakalwe]

It is a complete waste to sit on Coco and wait for a response instead of actively scumhunting other people.

That's not what I have been doing, though. I exploded at Jkaen because I was spending all my available time yesterday rereading and compiling thoughts. He kept interrupting those efforts by pestering me with misguided criticism (misguided because I'm innocent) and calling me lazy.

The fact is, I was pretty much the only one to post anything of substance yesterday, while everybody else was just piling on to Coco and holding their breath.

Look at my posts last night and you see my perspective after I have done a full reread. TT and Rowain are likely scum, and Coco is a less interesting target to pursue today. He was a GOOD lynch yesterday, because he actually did post yesterday. Again, I am capable of changing my mind in the light of new developments.

TT moved his vote to Coco yesterday, but didn't comment on Rowain. Rowain then goes no lynch today, rather than going after TT. Rowain made that childish self-vote just as I was heading to bed so I didn't bother commenting on it. He's been known to do that both as town and scum so it's a null tell for me. I think he is scum, but not based on that.