WW17: Lurker Thread

[Rowain]

Hello there
@Bigger depends on who the scum are.

[uberfish]

Oh wow uberfish, that is a hard setup on the wolves, isn't it? I think our chances to win this were less then 20% tbh. Of course, I still have no clue about the whole setup, but from what I know... ouch.

I actually think it is balanced, but your team has certainly had some bad luck.

[Bigger]

Oh wow uberfish, that is a hard setup on the wolves, isn't it? I think our chances to win this were less then 20% tbh. Of course, I still have no clue about the whole setup, but from what I know... ouch.

I actually think it is balanced, but your team has certainly had some bad luck.

I think its balanced too, and I know what Serdoa's referring too.

A Sk always has the potential to create swings, depending if he hits scum or village. Same thing for any other non-wolf roles that can kill.

[Rowain]

I think there's a reason scum has made a run the last 4 games, and generally wins more than village. RB has a habit of punishing aggressive play (when its not zak, novice, or Lewwyn, anyway) and ignoring passive play. This means that scum that don't get scried or just put their foot in their mouth (thestick last game, MNG in ww12, etc.) can survive quite long by just lurking or hopping on bandwagons. And they frequently do. Most villagers are more concerned with staying alive and protecting themselves then attempting to catch scum, so they view with suspicion people who put their neck out to attempt to trap scum. This is despite the prevailing view that scum wouldnt want to put their neck out (which is mostly true).
An example is uberfish being lynched day 1 of ww7 for his clever wolf claim.

scum only won recently so much because they have adapted to more risky tactics. (novice bussing 2 wolves for great cover for example).
About getting lynched: In the 15 games so far I have survived only once (and that was as wolf). From game 4 onwards till game 10 I didn't survive day 3. And to top it in WW7 I was the Baner* and got vig-shot on night 1 so cry me a river how unfortunate you are

I might just go with majority autolynch next time because I'm sick of the last minute votes myself...

WW8 was with majority and that was ****. It makes it far too easy for wolves.

@Serdoa About thestick. I would have tried to get him lynched were we both alive today. Doesn't mean he were in danger of course as usually I can only get a lynch via last-second-votes.

Edit. *) To clarify offensive Baner = Roleblocker

[Rowain]

And I do wonder what Lewwyns role is. He is so completly off and misreads his tealeafs as never after ww2.

[uberfish]

WW8 was with majority and that was ****. It makes it far too easy for wolves.

Nah it doesn't help wolves as much as you think because lynching people for bad reasons is scummy. Village just has to hold off on voting in the endgame.

[Bigger]

I think there's a reason scum has made a run the last 4 games, and generally wins more than village. RB has a habit of punishing aggressive play (when its not zak, novice, or Lewwyn, anyway) and ignoring passive play. This means that scum that don't get scried or just put their foot in their mouth (thestick last game, MNG in ww12, etc.) can survive quite long by just lurking or hopping on bandwagons. And they frequently do. Most villagers are more concerned with staying alive and protecting themselves then attempting to catch scum, so they view with suspicion people who put their neck out to attempt to trap scum. This is despite the prevailing view that scum wouldnt want to put their neck out (which is mostly true).
An example is uberfish being lynched day 1 of ww7 for his clever wolf claim.

scum only won recently so much because they have adapted to more risky tactics. (novice bussing 2 wolves for great cover for example).
About getting lynched: In the 15 games so far I have survived only once (and that was as wolf). From game 4 onwards till game 10 I didn't survive day 3. And to top it in WW7 I was the Baner and got vig-shot on night 1 so cry me a river how unfortunate you are

I might just go with majority autolynch next time because I'm sick of the last minute votes myself...

WW8 was with majority and that was ****. It makes it far too easy for wolves.

@Serdoa About thestick. I would have tried to get him lynched were we both alive today. Doesn't mean he were in danger of course as usually I can only get a lynch via last-second-votes.

no. ww14 was one thing, but scum have played pretty straight forward in every other game since I started playing (ww12).

being night killed is one thing, I get almost lynched every friggin' day 1. You get lynched when you do because you always act scummy regardless of your role and generally don't even try to be a contributing villager, and its always deeper in the game anyway. And you are really easy to be manipulated (by scum, or whoever), tbh. I get votes because I play a different game than most players here - I'm aggresssive and try different gambits to trip up scum. its the same reason VM got lynched day 1 in ww14 and uberfish got lynched when he claimed scum and the retracted it. sheep villagers think "oh, thats different, I don't play that way" - despite the fact that everybody echos the "scum just try to blend in and won't do anything too obvious" axiom - which is almost always true. It also makes it easy for scum to latch on and vote for me as someone whose both easy to lynch and competent in the late game if he lives.

well I'm just sick of it. I think my villager playstyle is dangerous to the wolves and helpful to the village, but its not fun to always have to fight for your life on day 1 and to not make it past day 2 in most games. So RB's inability to react properly to my playstyle has forced me to change it. Don't expect much out of me day 1 next game, regardless of my role.

[Bigger]

uber, fyi, thanksgiving is thursday, not wednesday. a little awkward that the break occurs in the middle of a day phase, oh well.

also, I'm quite disappointed you didn't take my suggestion for the third lurker kill

edit cuz I don't need to triple post in here:

I might be coming around to Lewwyn as the 4th scum. It could be coco too, but it seems he'll be mod-killed so that's kind of irrelevant. I would still vote Mardoc first.

Also, Pindicator seems to be getting better. I like his game (after day 1, anyway) here, much better than 16 or 14 .

[Rowain]

@Bigger why do you think you get lynched if not for your marvelous personality and 'pro-town-play'
Afterall I too think that my playstyle is helpfull for the village once they stop lynching me and start listening to me

In truth I wanted to change my vote to you (on day1) simple because both you and Brick quickly jumped on the TT-wagon but did not vote for each other to save your skin. Its not that I thought you scummy per se just that I thought we might get more information by lynching you than lynching TT.


About the games: 12 was a villagewin. 13 was not winnable by the village from the setup (2 wolves die at night 4 wolf-lynches in a row and they still lost - no chance for them in that game), 14 was a masterpiece of novice, In 15 you have the 'a wolf would not be so obvious ' in full force after Brick explained his power and used it to boot. That the drones got lynched one after the other is a miracle but it is not a game where you were lynched . 16 you were not lynched here too but died as a by-product from Serdoa getting nightkilled. And you were playing unhelpfull to the village right there. Starting the game with a mindset of: 'I plan to get one of those 3 getting lynched on day 1 and stay as unhelpfull as possible to not get night-targetted' runs the high-risk of getting lynched.

And about me beeing nightilled here I see 2 possibilities: a) there is a misdirector or b) I got vig-shot and the traitors got blocked. I gave a) the far higher chance to be true.
Would be surprised if I was the intended target by the traitors.


Edit and I agree about pindi

[novice]

I think Pindicator's been a strong WW player from the get-go. His first game was as a wolf and it's hard to really shine there.