WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[pindicator]

Zak-
Yeah, rowain dug up that mardoc quote about coco and i started thinking it might be possible. But i still have been getting a town read in his posts, so i don't think i'm ready to go there yet.

Can you give me your take on lewwyn? I'm a but suspicious of the case he drummed up on Rowain day 2, and also how he goes back and forth in TT's scumminess but never voting for him. Re-reading his case, rowain called it true i think: lewwyn seemed to be misrepresenting rowain's actions. He also called TT and coco obvious mislynches at some point (ugh, that is from memory so it may not be exactly how he put it, but he was strongly saying not to vote for either of them and instead to vote zak). Now, the case against would be the push by Serdoa on Lewwyn day 2, but if you look st Serdoa's pushes on Lewwyn and Mattimeo, he obviously puts more effort into the Mattimeo. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Lewwyn would orchestrate a push like that early in a day with him delivering a ”satisfactory argument" to then let his teammates go elsewhere.

At least, that's the current theory.

[pindicator]

I'm glad to see some more of the old Lewwyn since I was last online. I am still not certain on him but right now I think he's done enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt a little longer.

I think that Serdoa's pushing of Lewwyn puts him a lot further down my suspects list. I think he is coming back into playing like I remember him playing and that gives off villager vibes.

TT did say a lot, so there's plenty of posts to dig through.

[pindicator]

Oh damn zak, you did beat me to the serdoa <-> twinkletoes link. Damn i hate that i have to skim so much during my breaks. Anyway, apologies for saying i deserved the credit, you beat me to it fair and square

[Azza]

Azza! This shit is just uncanny!
You wrote this right after the day 2 lynch

4 dead, all loyal. Not feeling great about our chances right now, especially with another couple of night kills likely coming up. Hopefully there's some scum crossfire in there...

Any future predictions from Nostradamus?

If everything I said could come true it'd make playing this game so much easier.

[zakalwe]

Both TT and Serdoa joined me on Lewwyn on day 2. But I guess that's not enough to clear him, in itself. His day 1 is somewhat scummy given the alignments we know now, but his day 2 gave off some villager vibes, which eventually swayed me, back then. I felt largely the same vibes when rereading, later. Day 3... IDK. Very aggressive play if he's scum. But the voting records might make more sense if one or more scum were on me yesterday. It was very illogical to believe that I and/or Rowain was scum and TT wasn't. But he refused to listen to that logic. So either he REALLY suspected me, or that was just an act that he used as an excuse for irrational play.

I'll try to take another look at him, but first I want to do some more digging on Mardoc.

[zakalwe]

Follow-up thought. Serdoa left the Lewwyn wagon early, i.e. before me. That seems more like scum sensing the mislynch wagon about to collapse. If Lewwyn was scum, Serdoa would be more likely to stay there until I moved off.

[Lewwyn]

This morning I logged on quickly before work, saw Rowain's death and then headed straight out. Before I went I threw down Qgqqqqq's name because I wanted to see what he'd say since. Call it fishing.

I'm baffled by the kill. Rowain does not make sense because there was momentum behind his lynch. At the very least the wolves had me lined up to simply keep coming at him. Now as pindi stated everyone has a pet project. I think that's good for the the village. So yeah. I do not understand it.

For me Qgqqqqq didn't vote day 1, he's been pretty all over the place. Yeah call it unrestrained, but I don't think he's actually said anything of import. Azza is also right that he didn't vote for TT, but it was the way that he didn't vote for TT. He says

@sareln, uber says if no lynch is most popular there is no kill.

kinda dont like th e lack of response from coco, but really dont want to kill TTs.

*sigh* guess we go for Azza then. Reasoning? His posts feel really weird...just off I suppose. Others have mentioned one specific post, yet for me it is just a general feel. Yes I know these arguments suck for responding to and ill probably be back on coco come lynchtime but for now, Azza.

Qgqqqqq please do not do this. If you don't have a strong read at least follow mine. DO not lemming us into extinction.

Now at the time you can see I simply thought he's a villager doing nothing. The point about this thta I missed though was that he A) didn't really have a case on coco or Azza B) That even though he would vote for Azza he would probably be back on Coco before lynchtime. After this I "convinced" him to join me on Zak though given how wrong I was about Rowain and how probably wrong I was about Zak, I'm sure he was laughing as he did so.

Then his list. TT was listed innocent and Rowain was listed twice in the wolf section. Gotta make sure you get that in. This also reminds me of TT through Day 2. Buddying up to me... I have to say I did pretty much fall for it. I was so blinded by my Rowain and Zak obsession that I didn't realize TT was doing to me something similar to what Meiz, Gaspar and I did with Novice last game. Meiz in particular was great at fostering that relationship, just enough dissent to make him feel genuine.

So yeah I feel pretty stupid, but then I was feeling pretty stupid on Day 2 and thought I was finally seeing the big picture on Day 3. So I think I'm better off feeling stupid.

Anyway I can see a lynch on Qgqqqqq or Mardoc. Azza makes no sense to lynch whatsoever and coincidentally both Qgqqqq and Mardoc are voting for him.

I'm also interested to see what Sareln says though he was on TT. The question is whether TT was bussed or not.

[zakalwe]

I'm also willing to lynch Mardoc. Both of those are just gut feelings, though I can try to elaborate if more people really want to hear my tales.

Nobody asked me to elaborate. (Not exactly a smoking gun, but every little helps.)

[zakalwe]

"ill probably be back on coco come lynchtime"

I also missed that bit, nice catch. (In his defense, he did state openly later that he considered voting to save TT. So at least it's consistent.)

[zakalwe]

I'm also willing to lynch Mardoc. Both of those are just gut feelings, though I can try to elaborate if more people really want to hear my tales.

Nobody asked me to elaborate. (Not exactly a smoking gun, but every little helps.)

Actually, let me strengthen this a bit. Both Bigger, Brick, Ichabod, and Novice expressed suspicion of Mardoc, too, following my initial comment. Pindicator also said (earlier) that Mardoc's argument against Bigger looked odd, and I'll eat my hat if Pindicator is a traitor. So that's six non-traitors (counting me and Pindicator) who were suspicious of Mardoc, yet nobody else seems to have mentioned him.