WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Mardoc]

You watch, zak's next post is going to be 'Mardoc said he was through with me, but here he is talking, only scum talk, vote Mardoc'. Then he'll follow it up with 'only 2 people vote Mardoc, that means that people don't suspect him. And only scum are unsuspected'. And 'Mardoc put words in my mouth, that's scummy'.

[pindicator]

Why are you following me onto Lewwyn, Mardoc? From your post it sounds like you're doing it just to drop zak's attention.

Lewwyn-
This bugs me about you. Please comment on it:

Day 3, right as the TT push has got him up with Coco you write:

Ladies and gentlemen, enter red herring #2, TwinkleToes. Take a bow TT because you're being sent up the river next to Coco. I do not blame Pindicator because I think that there is a case to be made. But I also know that wolves do things to frame other people when they are voting just in case they are caught. And TT's terrible self-preservation vote still lingers.

Full post:

My current view of the world:

Innocent:
Lewwyn

Lean Innocent:
Jkaen
Pindicator
Mardoc
Coco
Qgqqqq
Twinkletoes89

Sometime innocent Sometime wolf:
Azza
Thestick
Tasunke
Sareln


Wolfy:
Rowain
Zakalwe


Zak and Rowain is tough. I think they are both wolves and vote for both of them. In reaction to this, Zak votes for Rowain = "Hey Lewwyn get off my back." Then Rowain throws a fit and votes for himself even though only Zak is voting for him. So now both of them are voting for Rowain in a meaningless way because nobody else is currently on them. Zak waits an "appropriate" amount of time, hears someone else's theory about scum and hops on the train early, without a second thought about Rowain.

Zak doesn't even stop to talk about why Rowain is voting for himself. He doesn't even question it. Zak is voting for Rowain at the time. You don't think village Zak is going to bring it up?? You don't think village Zak is going to give Rowain a hard time about it? Especially since Zak had just suddenly thought maybe Rowain was suspicious? And then he wakes up and drops his Rowain vote out of the blue without a single comment about Rowain's self-vote.

A note about Rowain self-voting. I believe he has done it twice. Once in WW2 when he was scum. And once in a later game where he was under a lot of pressure, and I mean a lot, and then self voted himself. He was lynched wolf in the first case and lynched village in second case. The difference is that in the second case he was under heavy pressure with multiple votes on him. At the point in which he self voted here? It was after Jkaen and I had MOVED OFF OF HIM and Zak had moved onto him. He wasn't truly under the same amount of pressure.

Ladies and gentlemen, enter red herring #2, TwinkleToes. Take a bow TT because you're being sent up the river next to Coco. I do not blame Pindicator because I think that there is a case to be made. But I also know that wolves do things to frame other people when they are voting just in case they are caught. And TT's terrible self-preservation vote still lingers.

This village is a bunch of followers, but you're following the wrong arguments. I'll reiterate my vote, Zakalwe. Stand strong Jkaen. Do not be fooled village.

Here you're using TT's self-preservation vote to defend him.

Day 2 you saw it differently:

TT may have been making a "preservation vote" but it was happening so fast its possible he as a wolf actually missed it.

Full post with quote:

I haven't made up my mind yet about Rowain. The issue I'm having is that Rowain isn't being as grumpy as usual. He's not really being as antagonistic (IMO) even when he was arguing with novice earlier I didn't see the same level of rubbing me the wrong way. I was thinking about this on Day 1 as well. And I think Bigger said it best when he mentioned he actually felt like Rowain was making sense. Then there was the whole thing with last minute vote on Bigger.

I was planning on pushing Brick again so I've really been reordering my thoughts all day. I was surprised when he died.

Zak you mentioned this:

/m309 "Good news is I think we can clear TT. He switched to Pindi to save himself only everyone was already jumping. I think if he were in a wolfpack he would know who the other wolves would be landing on ahead of time. If that's true then Bigger and TT are both innocent. Brick and pindi were the last two on the block. Could be that either of them is scum. [In the next post] Or neither..."
Again he is quick to clear TT. This looks more townish, but since he already started defending TT he could also just be following up on that.

And yeah I've actually started to change my mind again. This was written in night phase before the kills. But TT may actually be scum if Brick wasn't and Ichabod suspected him. The deaths make me lean back towards TT as scum. TT may have been making a "preservation vote" but it was happening so fast its possible he as a wolf actually missed it. He didn't actually want to get his vote on Bigger though. But he knew Rowain a packmate would be voting for bigger (which fell through). -- Just what I've been thinking about today at work.

And when I say did anyone pressure Rowain at all yesterday, I meant didn't anyone vote for him. Pressure isn't really pressure unless you vote. Rowain

[Mardoc]

Why are you following me onto Lewwyn, Mardoc? From your post it sounds like you're doing it just to drop zak's attention.

I'm following you because at this point I trust your judgment, and I don't trust either mine or zak's.

[Lewwyn]

What can I say? I saw Zak and Rowain as scum and Coco and TT as distractions. Mostly because on Day 2 I allowed myself to vote for Mattimeo when I felt solid about Rowain. So I was reacting against myself. I told myself Day 3 that I wasn't going to listen to anyone else but myself. I think it's pretty clear that I was wrong.

[Qgqqqqq]

Qgqqqqq = MJW?

Fuck off Lewwyn.

Under the vague possibility your serious, he's posted in lurker thread.

[Qgqqqqq]

Lewwyn can you at least pretend youve bothered to read my posts.

Just for once, Lewwyn, ANSWER MY BLOODY QUESTIONS.
Just because I suck at this, doesnt mean you get cruise along going, "lol, that Q guy sucks. Must be wolf, LOL!"

[Qgqqqqq]

anyone care to actually feild an argument on me, considering im online?

pin you might of missed it (especially if you dont read my posts ) but; how am i carefree?

[zakalwe]

You should join us on Mardoc, Q.

[Qgqqqqq]

No thanks. Dont agree with arguments.

[Qgqqqqq]

Funny how lewwyn shuts up when his targets are online