WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[zakalwe]

@ JKaen & Zakalwe if I cared about my postcount I would spam out complete nonsense as opposed to wargaming through one distinct, though unlikely, possibility. I did warn that it was meta-heavy ahead of time.

Yeah, I didn't really mean to echo the sentiment that you were inflating your post count/volume. But what I didn't like about that post was that just as we're down to one kill per night, you start hypothesizing about additional independent killers. That just seems like a very convenient hypothesis for traitors at this point; an excuse to accuse people who cannot reasonably be accused of being traitors.

This is maddening. Are zaks pushes always like this? "people thought he was suspicious, and then they stopped thinking he was suspicious, and that's suspicious. So and so seems scummy, and Mardoc would fit with them, therefore he's scummy - vote Mardoc, not so-and-so. Mardoc changes his mind, only scum do that. Mardoc and TT could have lynched a villager, but I think this elaborate strategy makes more sense. TT grouped me and Mardoc in the 'uncertain' category, but the important bit is that he mentioned Mardoc. Mardoc has a guilty conscience after he lynched a villager, clearly that makes him scum cause villagers never feel guilt."

There's nothing there that's logical, or straight, or solid, it's a fog of 'Mardoc's a scum because 'insert irrelevant thing here''. 90% of the accusations seem to be 'if so and so is scum, then Mardoc is too', only never ever is Zak interested in So-and-so. You repeat a falsehood often enough, people will start to believe it!

I still think you're a villager, zak, but I'm tempted to vote you just to make the headache stop. Instead I think I'll follow pindicator, and vote Lewwyn. But don't expect me to talk to you anymore. You're clearly not going to listen to a single thing I say, you've made up your mind and you're just throwing every little thing you find on the pile.

Let me answer some of this. First of all, I have to say you're very quick to cut the lines of communication. How can you tell I won't listen, before you've even tried talking to me?

"people thought he was suspicious, and then they stopped thinking he was suspicious, and that's suspicious"
I never argued this. The thing I'm arguing is that on day 1, 6 non-traitors expressed suspicion of you, and nobody else. In other words, you were really quite heavily suspected, but none of the traitors (whoever they are) even gave you so much as a tiny nudge. And they didn't defend you, for town cred, either. I would say this argument is pretty logical, straight, and solid. It's the same kind of argument that nailed TT yesterday.

I also acknowledge that it's a hard thing to defend against, since it revolves around what others did, as opposed to what you did. So your best defense here is probably to convince us that someone else is scum. Also, if you can find any instances that I've missed where you're being accused by players who aren't known to be innocent, that would be interesting.

"Mardoc and TT could have lynched a villager, but I think this elaborate strategy makes more sense."
This is the best point in your favor. Like I already said to Pindicator, I think this might make sense if Coco is scum. Also, there is the fact that TT kind of went down a bit easily, anyway. You're questioning why the scum didn't move to lynch me, if they were on Coco. But likewise; if the scum were on me, why didn't they move to lynch Coco?

I guess if you can make a compelling case for someone else as scum, I might be willing to give you another day, so we can see Coco's flip.

I don't know what to make of your name claim. It's certainly the strongest name claim you could possibly make. I can't deny that it's giving me pause.

[uberfish]

Lewwyn (3) - Mardoc Pindicator Qgqqqq
Mardoc (3) - Sareln Tasunke Zakalwe
Qgqqqq (2) - Azza Lewwyn
Sareln (1) - Jkaen

Not voting - Coco

[pindicator]

zak -

you've said mardoc and coco are likely not scumbuddies and coco is likely scum. I'm asking for you to wait on the result of coco before going after Mardoc because I'm still leaning town on him. He seems more exasperated than anything in his responses, but he doesn't seem like he's on the other team. Or do you think Mardoc is capable of faking this kind of tone in advance?


Hypothetically, let's assume coco flips scum when he is modkilled tonight. Night 2 / Day 3 must have been absolutely deflating for the scum team: coco goes AWOL, then the SK hits Serdoa which leads to the TT lynch. I would have to say whoever is left with coco would take a real psychological shot. The rest of his team gone within 1 full night/day cycle.

Which brings me back to Lewwyn: look how checked out he's been since TT was lynched. Last night and today hardly anything posted. I accuse him of being scum and no response; when i press he figuratively just shrugs his shoulders. He's not even pushing that hard against his target, Qgqqqq. There's just no fire in Lewwyn today, and I think it's because he knows scum side is doomed, even if he gets a mislynch today.


Mardoc, I want something in return for defending you: I want you to take an hour and just re-read posts and come back
with your thoughts. I don’t care where you start. But get a pad of paper and jot down whatever comes into your head as you read. Include post numbers. And get rid of all those negative thoughts of "I haven't made a good read ever in WW" because I'm not asking you to correctly figure out who the rest of the scum are. Just to make observations. Then post them here. Probably a good idea to do this before the day is up, in case you are lynched.

This message is intended for the sole use of the addressee, and

[pindicator]

Lol at the last line-

I jotted my thoughts via email (yes, being a bad worker and sneaking peeks at the WW thread). Email myself the notes, then copy & paste. Copied a bit of the automatic text this time

[zakalwe]

I'll keep thinking during the break, Pindicator. I do think Mardoc could be scum with Coco. Did I say otherwise? If Coco flips innocent then that makes Mardoc look more innocent too.

Have a nice thanksgiving, everybody.

[pindicator]

I'll keep thinking during the break, Pindicator. I do think Mardoc could be scum with Coco. Did I say otherwise? If Coco flips innocent then that makes Mardoc look more innocent too.

Have a nice thanksgiving, everybody.

Ah, I saw your last sentence as meaning you thought Coco and Mardoc couldn't both be scum.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Stay warm for the blizzard!

[Lewwyn]

Qgqqqqq = MJW?

Fuck off Lewwyn.

Under the vague possibility your serious, he's posted in lurker thread.

I'm mostly stating how I can't understand anything you're saying.

Lewwyn can you at least pretend youve bothered to read my posts.

Just for once, Lewwyn, ANSWER MY BLOODY QUESTIONS.
Just because I suck at this, doesnt mean you get cruise along going, "lol, that Q guy sucks. Must be wolf, LOL!"

What questions? I seriously can't understand them. Did you even ask me any?
These?:

what are you talking about not voting TT???

and, somehow you have no actual case apart from that???

Azza said you weren't voting TT, I simply said yeah that's true but I'm more focused on the way you voted for Coco. I don't understand what your question is. Its a rhetorical Question in my opinion so I didn't answer it. Same for the second one.

Funny how lewwyn shuts up when his targets are online

Hi fucking China here. 3AM.

Which brings me back to Lewwyn: look how checked out he's been since TT was lynched. Last night and today hardly anything posted. I accuse him of being scum and no response; when i press he figuratively just shrugs his shoulders. He's not even pushing that hard against his target, Qgqqqq. There's just no fire in Lewwyn today, and I think it's because he knows scum side is doomed, even if he gets a mislynch today.

Wrong. After TT's lynch was nighttime and I din't have anything to say other than I want to lynch Rowain. Then today started yesterday. DO you want me to tell you what I did yesterday? I got up at 7, read quick, voted Qgqqqqq, went to teach for 4 hours. Grabbed lunch. Went home. Fell asleep for 4 hours because I'm sick and my fucking nose is running like a river. Wake up go for dinner. Come home. Sit on the toilet for an hour because my ass is running like a river. Watch NCIS, NCIS:LA and Man Vs Wild with my wife. Post that last bit before bed. Whenever I'm out I'm trying to read on the phone but I can't reliably post so I don't.

On Day 2, I had "fire". DO you remember what I said? It coincided with my day off, I was free and had some time. So if you think you're making some giant leap in my psycological mood based on the game and my posting habits, you're dead wrong. This morning I'm awake before my wife and I don't have work till 2. I have time. I'm here answering your ludicrous ideas.

Let me reiterate for him and you the two reasons I think he's scummy:

A) Day 1 no lynch vote
B) Day 3 "Oh I'm probably going to end up on Coco at the end of the day but let's vote for Azza for now"
C) General non-scumhunting attitude.

I've also been thinking about it the last day. Jkaen. Saying all the right things but not doing them. I think Sareln is innocent. I have to believe that Mardoc's name claim is worth giving him a slight pass for the moment. As I said, Qgqqqq I think is still scummy. But Jkaen has had no pressure and there's something about the way he's been posting that makes me feel like he "knows".

[pindicator]

Heh, now THAT was the type of post I had been expecting to see from you today Lewwyn.

Sorry to hear you've been sick Hope you get better soon.

Doing all my holiday stuff over the weekend, so I may just use some free time tomorrow to read up on these other suspects.

[Lewwyn]

Heh, now THAT was the type of post I had been expecting to see from you today Lewwyn.

Sorry to hear you've been sick Hope you get better soon.

Doing all my holiday stuff over the weekend, so I may just use some free time tomorrow to read up on these other suspects.

Just do me a favor and read up on Jkaen and give me an honest opinion.

[Jkaen]

I dont think we are snowed out yet, so I think I can still post.

I've also been thinking about it the last day. Jkaen. Saying all the right things but not doing them.

Example?

It does make me laugh most games the first 3 days everybody is sure I am village and always about mid game people decide its time to lynch me. I have never really understood why i get the switch at this point of the game.

My vote seems dead atm. As I said I felt yesterday Lewwyn was doing some good scum hunting. As it happens it seems everybody he was aiming it was infact innocent, I am not sure how that affects the effort, I am guessing Lewwyn is a good enough player to fake the hunt if scum. Also he was off on TT which I never thought warrented the same suspicion as the coco wagon did

As Zak has said the Mardoc case falls around what everybody else has done not his own actions. I am not ready to sentence somebody based on that.

Qgq I think is a case on his arguments being a bit all over the place, not sure i understand the case on him tbh

Hence Lewwyn