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WW17 - A Game of Thrones

Sorry Lewwyn, just got frustrated that the only time i have to post (apart from when i ought to be sleeping) you werent online, and hadnt responded when you had a chance to do so.
The questions are the same ones i asked D3: whats your problem with my azza post? Youve kinda-sorta answered it but never really.
Ive been open with my reasoning - it was intended to express dissatisfaction with coco lynch, a suspiscion of azza, and a willingness to save TT (who you to thought was being mislynched).
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Sorry Lewwyn, just got frustrated that the only time i have to post (apart from when i ought to be sleeping) you werent online, and hadnt responded when you had a chance to do so.
The questions are the same ones i asked D3: whats your problem with my azza post? Youve kinda-sorta answered it but never really.
Ive been open with my reasoning - it was intended to express dissatisfaction with coco lynch, a suspiscion of azza, and a willingness to save TT (who you to thought was being mislynched).
I am ...TBC
Erebus in the Balance - a FFH Modmod based around balancing and polishing FFH for streamlined competitive play.

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Sorry Lewwyn, just got frustrated that the only time i have to post (apart from when i ought to be sleeping) you werent online, and hadnt responded when you had a chance to do so.
The questions are the same ones i asked D3: whats your problem with my azza post? Youve kinda-sorta answered it but never really.
Ive been open with my reasoning - it was intended to express dissatisfaction with coco lynch, a suspiscion of azza, and a willingness to save TT (who you to thought was being mislynched).
I am ...TBC
Erebus in the Balance - a FFH Modmod based around balancing and polishing FFH for streamlined competitive play.

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disappointed that you go for the easy path of my D1 no vote.
I have said i would vote pin (a vote that wouldnt affect the result, nor one that gets me any town cred) a move that only attracts suspiscion.
Really, as scum what would i gain from it? (answer this one)

This is why im on you lewwyn, your arguments are pathetic. Oh they seem bulky, but when you get down to it, its basically just fluff, with a few weak arguments worked in.
Erebus in the Balance - a FFH Modmod based around balancing and polishing FFH for streamlined competitive play.

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I believe the pause is in effect now, Q. You should stop posting until 06:00 GMT. (20 hours from now.)
If you know what I mean.
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Oh really? I thought it was tomorrow.
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*** SNOW ***

Everyone's stuck in their rooms and can't post until 0600 GMT
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The sun is out, the snow is gone, time for revelations.

After thinking about it the past day I have come to the conclusion that it's probably in the village's best interest that I reveal just how terrible I've played this game.

I am, Benric Dondarrion, the village Vig, and I killed Brick and Rowain. So technically I've killed as many Loyalists as the scum have. I don't know who theistic targeted Night 1, but I doubt it was Brick and it's possible that the Traitors and thestick doubled up on Ichabod. I am a non-consecutive village vig, which means I can only kill every other night. That means I didn't kill Night 2, and I'm guessing thestick killed Serdoa and the scum killed novice. Last night I killed Rowain and I think the scum failed to kill somebody. I'm thinking that means either pindicator or Zak were protected last night and were saved so congratulations to the baner/bodyguard what have you. You're playing better than I am.

I went into Night 1 thinking that I there had to be scum on the block for the switches to be so dramatic. I thought that it was likely Brick or TT. I figured that killing one of those two would help the town make sense of what actually happened and if I hit a villager I would be able to prevent a mislynch. I decided I'd take the shot on Brick because I truly suspected him. I figured we could then lynch TT if I was wrong and we'd be good. Then Zak went on about a lurker lynch and I got suspicious. Then everyone came after me and I was in a place where I had to survive to the day so that on Day 3 I could do whatever and kill again night 3, which wouldn't matter if I was nightkilled because they'd likely go simultaneously.

So Day 2 got confusing for me. I started to suspect Zak and Rowain heavily and got away from my initial plan with TT. On day 3 when I started pushing Rowain and Zak people kept pushing Coco and I thought, "WTF the village is being railroaded into lurker lynch of a person who is not invested enough to be a wolf, IMO." So I started to suspect that both Coco and later TT were both being pushed to stop Rowain and Zak from being lynched. Thankfully the village is apparently playing better than I am and lynched TT. I let Rowain get under my skin and cloud everything I was doing.

Night 3 are started thinking that Rowain might be village, I switched my kill order from Rowain to Qgqqqqq and almost went through with it, but decided to go ahead and kill Rowain anyway. A) I still suspected him because he put his vote on thestick(even if thestick was the SK scum wouldn't have known that and instead would have seen him as a possible mislynch) B) Other people were also murmuring about putting Rowain on the block for Day 4 and I knew that he might be lynched anyway. If I was wrong at least I sped up the process so the village would be forced to look in different directions for scum hunting. SO I switched back to Rowain, killed him, and started looking at things fresh.

So that leads us to today. I think that I could still escape the noose today even without my roleclaim. The problem is that without roleclaiming, scum can continue to hide in my shadow holding on to mislynching me. I also believe that the scum know I'm a vigilante. They know their kill failed and they know someone else is out there killing. If they think it is a vigilante they think its me. And I think they know its me. SO why should I stay silent and hope to survive another night to get another kill off when they know its me and are likely trying their best to lynch me today?

Also putting myself out there today means there's a good chance that I'm targeted tonight instead of Zak or pindi who seem to be doing good scum hunting work. By revealing my actions and behaviors throughout the game become clear the village has one less suspect to get stuck on.

Onto the scum hunt:

Now I want to comment on Sareln and Jkaen. You may all remember that Sareln made this big post about a second killer still out there and still alive. Everyone thought it was tinfoil. But it wasn't. It was completely true. My interpretation though was that it was a lucky guess. Why would a traitor who knew that there was someone else killing even mention that as a possibility? It simply draws attention to yourself and maybe tells the other killer who you are. And once there is another killer killed or 2 kills in one night, everyone is going to come back to you and say, "How did you know?" So I simply couldn't see Sareln as scum, basically outing himself. No, I believe that Sareln must be a villager who was thinking out loud and happened to stumble upon a hidden truth.

So Jkaen is voting for Sareln. However this is before Sareln makes this comment. As soon as Sareln does though, Jkaen gets on record with, "Now I really think you're scum." That reaction to me is super scummy, because I know that Sareln is right. If Jkaen is scum he knows it too. EIther he thinks maybe Sareln is the SK apprentice or the vig, either way a good person to either get rid of or gain credit on. Additionally Jkaen hopped on Sareln early in the day. Was he looking for mislynch material? So there you go Jkaen. It's not some mid game coincidence. It's based on knowledge of whats going on. And now everyone knows. Maybe I'm still wrong about Jkaen given that I've been wrong about everyone else, but at least you know my full reasoning on him.

Oh and also there are these two posts:

(November 17th, 2012, 05:03)Jkaen Wrote: Caught up to post 150 here now, the pressure on Mattimeo seems a bit odd, couldnt really work out the source of all that.

Tansuke however I started to feel was acting just a bit too wierd and odd

(November 18th, 2012, 00:45)Jkaen Wrote: Very interesting a wolf got night killed. If we assume the wolves (regicides/plotters/whatever) killed Novice (which makes sense) it does raise the question of who got Serdoa (and I guess Brick last night?)

That come after Day 2 and Night 2. I understand that you are busy and coming back and after this point you seem much much more involved, but I felt like this was a really careful reentry into the game after being away and it just felt weird.


Onto Qgqqqqq. On Day 3 TT buddied up to me. He called me chief scum hunter. That felt good. I'm not immune to flattery. Qgqqqqq followed me and Jkaen onto Zak after I pushed him a bit. Qgqqqq didn't vote Day 1, he voted for Coco Day 2 and Day 3 was flipping about on Azza, who I think is A) innocent and B) possible mislynch material considering thats what I viewed him as when I was a wolf. Really think Qgqqqq was looking for somewhere safe to place his vote. He hasn't been a part of a majority on a lynch yet. If I'm a wolf that's what I want.

Azza I think is innocent based on tone of posts and voting TT. The tone is very similar to village Azza of last game.

Zak I'm still wary of, but I have to admit I think I was wrong.

Pindi is doing well, seems happy and having a good time, which I am glad for I enjoy it when people enjoy WW. I also think its a sign he's a villager.

Coco I've stated I think is just a villager.

That brings us to Tasunke and Mardoc. If one of Jkaen and Qgqqqq are innocent then I think the last scum is one of these two. (I think there were 4 scum at the start.)

So:
---Village
Lewwyn
Pindi
Zak
Azza
Coco
Sareln
---Middle
Tasunke
Mardoc
---wolfy
Jkaen
Qgqqqqq

I would prefer to lynch either Qgqqqqq or Jkaen today. I can see the case for Mardoc as well, however, and will consider that before the deadline.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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That claim makes perfect sense to me, Lewwyn. I'll be surprised if anyone doubts your story.

A break was nice, and I've been using it to reread and rethink. In short, I have talked myself out of voting for Mardoc, even if I had a somewhat harder time talking myself into voting for someone else. Bottom line, I'm going to go with Sareln. I'll try to post my reasoning ASAP, but for now just a vote.
If you know what I mean.
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(November 21st, 2012, 17:01)zakalwe Wrote: Also, there is the fact that TT kind of went down a bit easily, anyway. You're questioning why the scum didn't move to lynch me, if they were on Coco. But likewise; if the scum were on me, why didn't they move to lynch Coco?

I think the answer may be right in front of us, here. The other scum were on TT.
If you know what I mean.
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