WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[pindicator]

God dammit lewwyn, i have lost WW every time. We are going to nail this fucker and get a win.

It seems you are destined to lose again...

Rowain had it right, after all

[pindicator]

Yeah

And as past experience has proven that it is bad for the village if pindi reaches the endgame

Pindicator

[pindicator]

And are you more worried about getting credit or getting the bad guy lewwyn?
Who cares which one of us put down the azza comment first, what matters is getting the right person.

[Jkaen]

Well lets do this properly I guess:

Jkaen - innocent in my eyes, you lot can form your own arguments if needs be

Lewwyn - So my 1 shot vig theory seems to be wrong. Day 1 and 2 still seem wrong, however if we had 3 attacks night 1 (scum, SK, vig) but one of them got shared then I can make sense of the kills. a 1 shot vig I could maybe see being scum. a recurring one is just too much firepower to give to the scum. That said he hasnt hit scum yet at night.

Azza - I can build a scum theory here. Night 1 scans Lewwyn, sees he is a vig, but think they can pull the trigger later, and meanwhile will have him thin the herd a bit thinking his reads are off. Night 4 he finds the doctor, reveals this information to buy credit, then kills him at the earliest opportunity (night 5). Its a bit of a risk leaving lewwyn hanging round like that, but he hasnt hit scum yet.

Ok instead of killing of Lewwyn they went for: Novice (fair enough), Jkaen (maybe to set up zak, maybe lewwyn at this point would be better), Zak (fair enough). Qgq (again higher priority given lewwyns aim for the kill wasnt on azza)

Meta wise who does it make sense to give a role seer to? village could detect jailkeeper, serial killer, survivor. Scum could detect about a dozen roles, making it far more use to the scum.

Pind - This really seems to be based upon there is nobody else left rather than anything specific. Dont really buy most of the argument Lewwyn makes in #802. He does self vote however which always makes me want to vote for them out of spite.



I am in no rush to snap to the wrong call here, lets discuss what I see as the alternative.

Azza

Fake edit - HUGE cross post

[Jkaen]

Let's look at it Pinidcator:

I still don't like this name claim business, but since everyone else seems to be doing it...

I'm the loyal Myrcella Baratheon, role seer. Being a cute little girl means people let their guard down around me, and freely share information about they do.

I've scanned Lewwyn (vigilante), Rowain (no result), Jkaen (no result) and Qgqqqqq (doctor).

We were already at the point where a role claim would help everyone. Yes Azza outed Qgqqqqq, but it was a necessity (I might have shot Qgqqqqq or pushed for his lynch otherwise.) But more importantly, look who he scanned on Night 3? Jkaen? Jkaen who Qgqqqqq protected? Who we think was teh Night 3 target of the scum but was saved? Right so Azza the scum both scanned and tried to kill the same target the same night.


Way to hop on the scenario after I did the dirty work of putting it forward.

Lewwyn,

Playing devils advocate for a second if he is scum he could easily have lied about the day 3 scan, if he infact went say for Rowain instead. I had already claimed so it was a safe false scan to claim in that circumstance

[Jkaen]

As for no lynch, the scum would night kill either me or Lewwyn.

Pind and Azza would vote for each other, meaning which ever of us was standing would take the shot, but with no further information than we have today. Hence I see no benefit

[Lewwyn]

And are you more worried about getting credit or getting the bad guy lewwyn?
Who cares which one of us put down the azza comment first, what matters is getting the right person.

I'm saying it was a trap.

[Lewwyn]

And are you more worried about getting credit or getting the bad guy lewwyn?
Who cares which one of us put down the azza comment first, what matters is getting the right person.

Let me explain "trap". You haven't put forward any other targets. So I suggest the next best case scenario is Azza. You immediately latch on and explain why you agree, which is what I was expecting. Then I show you the piece that IMO lies in opposition to the case on Azza. Hello Charlie Brown.

[Lewwyn]

Meta wise who does it make sense to give a role seer to? village could detect jailkeeper, serial killer, survivor. Scum could detect about a dozen roles, making it far more use to the scum.

I can see it both ways. The issue I have is with the SK and the traitors, plus me running around killing people, that's not a very village friendly place. Village had a tracker and a baner and a commuter and a pimp. In the end the role seer doesn't help the village as much because I can still see Jailkeeper and Jack of all trades (which is what Novice's role really was) as possible village roles. Therefore its not too powerful in the village. However in the hands of the scum it becomes just way too powerful. They already have a jailkeeper(roleblocker) and 2-3 kills per night, yes there is the possibility of friendly fire, but if the scum are able to find all the power roles with a role seer its much too powerful. In the hands of the village its power is mitigated by alignment doubt.

[Lewwyn]

I will not change my vote from Pindicator because I believe in my vote and I believe Pindicator is scum. Nothing you have said Jkaen has convinced me otherwise.