WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Lewwyn]

For the record, I have never found Azza's post in this game to be scummy. I just don't see it from his posts.

[Azza]

Let's look at it Pinidcator:

I still don't like this name claim business, but since everyone else seems to be doing it...

I'm the loyal Myrcella Baratheon, role seer. Being a cute little girl means people let their guard down around me, and freely share information about they do.

I've scanned Lewwyn (vigilante), Rowain (no result), Jkaen (no result) and Qgqqqqq (doctor).

We were already at the point where a role claim would help everyone. Yes Azza outed Qgqqqqq, but it was a necessity (I might have shot Qgqqqqq or pushed for his lynch otherwise.) But more importantly, look who he scanned on Night 3? Jkaen? Jkaen who Qgqqqqq protected? Who we think was teh Night 3 target of the scum but was saved? Right so Azza the scum both scanned and tried to kill the same target the same night.


Way to hop on the scenario after I did the dirty work of putting it forward.

Lewwyn,

Playing devils advocate for a second if he is scum he could easily have lied about the day 3 scan, if he infact went say for Rowain instead. I had already claimed so it was a safe false scan to claim in that circumstance

A safe false scan would've been choosing someone who was dead. You could've been lying about your role, or lack thereof.

But it's a moot point, because as a villager I have absolutely nothing to gain from falsifying my scan results. I can say 100% that I scanned you.

[Lewwyn]

Day 1 wolf shenanigans:

First, remember that Coco voted for Serdoa.

Serdoa and TT actually have a conversation about Bigger to each other in thread: Posts 182, 183 and 186 in the QT.

Both of these points show that A) wolves are willing to vote for other wolves (a trend we see later on in Day 2 and 3). With that in mind:

Serdoa votes Pindicator

Pindicator votes TT

TT votes Bigger.

Then Pindicator votes Bigger

Serdoa votes Bigger

TT votes pindicator.

The end result is Pindicator is mostly safe and with both pindicator and Serdoa moving to Bigger. TT came under late fire but his "self-defense" vote was really timed late. Zaks move to Bigger though happened 3 minutes before. Zak moved off of Pindicator and with Serdoa planned to move off of Pindicator as well that meant pindicator would definitely be free. Why would TT vote for Pindicator for self defense when his wolf-buddy Serdoa was jumping off Pindicator? Because all three of them were wolves! Serdoa's jump with Zak's already going and with pindicator's vote sure to not move off of Bigger meant Bigger was the intended victim in the end. TT's "self-defense" vote on Pindicator was a work of fiction since he knew Zak was already off Pindi minutes before and Serdoa was about to hop off. It was choreographed. The only thing that flubbed it up was Bigger jumping in at the last moment to move over to TT. All three of these votes happened at :59.

I'm not sure if that's enough to convince you Jkaen, but it's convinced me. I believe our wolves were very active in the last minutes with knowledge of each other and having already set Pindicator up to have gotten "TT cred" by voting for him earlier in the day before settling on Bigger as the final patsy.

[Jkaen]

Right now gut is screaming Lewwyn (but meta says it cant be), meta is screaming Pind (but gut says it isnt), and I think most likely may actually be Azza.

Lewwyn, can you actually come up with a reason that

No Lynch

is a bad idea, other than its a delay (which is not really bad, more neutral)

[Lewwyn]

Right now gut is screaming Lewwyn (but meta says it cant be), meta is screaming Pind (but gut says it isnt), and I think most likely may actually be Azza.

Lewwyn, can you actually come up with a reason that

No Lynch

is a bad idea, other than its a delay (which is not really bad, more neutral)

Everyone no lynches. Scum comes on at the last second puts a vote in for a mislynch and wins the game.

How's that?

[Lewwyn]

In other words no lynch is a trap.

[Jkaen]

Then no lynch wins the vote 3-1, there is no lynch and scum has just revealed themselves in a really stupid manner

[Jkaen]

The only real question I have is this option just me being a coward?

I think I am the one with most village cred right now, so suspect it will be me to die tonight if we head down this route. Does that make the final judgement any easier for people (ie does anybody suspect me in the slightest), or should I just man up and make my vote today?

[Lewwyn]

Yeah I forgot that no lynch is a vote too I guess.

One sec just look at Day 1 final tally with all the colors. I've left myself uncolored for you Jkaen.

Bigger (5) - Novice Pindicator Serdoa Thestick Zakalwe
Brick (5) (*) - Lewwyn Mardoc Mattimeo Sareln
Twinkletoes (5) - Bigger Brick Ichabod Rowain Tasunke
Pindicator (2) - Jkaen Twinkletoes
Serdoa (1) - Coco
Tasunke (1) - Azza

Not voting - Qgqqqq

First of all remember the wolves do not know that Mardoc's vote counts double. I am Innocent so that makes 4 innocents on Brick.

Next we can see Coco voting for Serdoa.
Serdoa switched to Bigger to help save TT.
TT knows Serdoa is going to switch to Bigger. And switches off Bigger to Pindicator.


At this point where is the most likely scum? Sitting on Tasunke while the whole show is going on elsewhere and TT is in danger? On sitting on pindicator before the lights go out? (IE: you) Or sitting on Bigger already waiting for the other scum as a safe haven?

Jkaen you said: "I see absolutely no case right now on TT, so have no interest in voting that way unless I was forced into a 50/50 with him against somebody with a villager lean" before teh lynch in QT. I don't see a wolf making that much of a declarative statement. And overall I think you've been very villagery. My only calm the entire game came with the sareln situation but I'm well past that because I think that in the end your reaction was pretty natural for you.

Azza spoke up about my innocence following Night 1. He's pretty much said I'm the only one he thinks is villagery which fits with him having scanned me night 1. I also find Azza's posts to be open and straightforward. They remind me of last game and I simply don't see him as a scum.

Pindicator is wily. He was under heavy suspicion early but then with all the scum deaths appears to have been right on wiht his reads. Especially following Day 1, post 336 he lays out a bunch of people he thinks are likely innocent. Never really saying outright, but in fact he is correct about every single one of them.

Jkaen your gut says Pindi is innocent because he's agreeable and he's been "right" a lot, and he's been a "voice of reason". I swear that that is the best way to play scum.

[Lewwyn]

The only real question I have is this option just me being a coward?

I think I am the one with most village cred right now, so suspect it will be me to die tonight if we head down this route. Does that make the final judgement any easier for people (ie does anybody suspect me in the slightest), or should I just man up and make my vote today?

You will not die tonight. Pindi knows that I will vote him no matter what so he will kill me. You're the only who is being swayed by his dance so you will live.