WW17: Lurker Thread

[Qgqqqqq]

Qgqqqqq that is wrong. Look

3 village - 1 wolf -> no lynch
2 village - 1 wolf -> lynch villager
1 village (vig) - 1 wolf -> IF both kills happen simultaneously (and I can't find anywhere that uberfish had said that) then there is a draw, not a village win

So, if no lynch is decided, village has to lynch the wolf the next day or they won't win.

yeah just relised this.
we can stop YOU from winning though.

But I relly want a win now

[Qgqqqqq]

I think its Azza

Same

[Rowain]

So that leads us to today. I think that I could still escape the noose today even without my roleclaim. The problem is that without roleclaiming, scum can continue to hide in my shadow holding on to mislynching me. I also believe that the scum know I'm a vigilante. They know their kill failed and they know someone else is out there killing. If they think it is a vigilante they think its me. And I think they know its me. SO why should I stay silent and hope to survive another night to get another kill off when they know its me and are likely trying their best to lynch me today?

Also putting myself out there today means there's a good chance that I'm targeted tonight instead of Zak or pindi who seem to be doing good scum hunting work. By revealing my actions and behaviors throughout the game become clear the village has one less suspect to get stuck on.

If this is the one point where Lewwyn is right in this game I would say Azza

[uberfish]

Actually this 3:1 endgame with one confirmed village (Lewwyn) is a theoretically better one than 2:1 without the confirmed village. the scum only control 1 in 4 rather than 1 in 3 votes

[Rowain]

Rereading day 1 I must say I would be very surprised if pindi is scum.

When Serdoa returned his first vote was for pindi elevating him again from just 3 votes back up to 4 (Brick was leading with 5 (6) votes then.

Brick (5) - Mattimeo Lewwyn Novice Sareln Mardoc
Pindicator (3) - Jkaen Zakalwe Bigger
Twinkletoes (3) - Ichabod Tasunke Pindicator
Novice (2) - Brick Rowain
Bigger (2) - Thestick Twinkletoes
Serdoa (1) - Coco
Tasunke (1) - Azza

At this point (140 mins before lynch) I see little reason why a wolf would push up another wolf. Especially with other good possibilities. example: joining Lewwyn+novice on BRick (always a good place to be when you are a wolf and those are not), or onto TT: If Pindi is scum too I think moving onto TT and helping lynching him is a far better move for Serdoa and pindi than moving on pindi. Or pushing novice: Afterall he is already involved in a pointless infight with me which might easily lead to 2 mislynches.
All these does point to pindi = village and therefore Azza=scum.

Anyway with the current voting I can only hope that I'm wrong.

[Rowain]

@uber:
What is the win-condition of the traitors? (In short will there be a dice roll if at the last day there is 1 traitor & 1 loyalist alive?)

[Serdoa]

Rereading day 1 I must say I would be very surprised if pindi is scum.

When Serdoa returned his first vote was for pindi elevating him again from just 3 votes back up to 4 (Brick was leading with 5 (6) votes then.

Brick (5) - Mattimeo Lewwyn Novice Sareln Mardoc
Pindicator (3) - Jkaen Zakalwe Bigger
Twinkletoes (3) - Ichabod Tasunke Pindicator
Novice (2) - Brick Rowain
Bigger (2) - Thestick Twinkletoes
Serdoa (1) - Coco
Tasunke (1) - Azza

At this point (140 mins before lynch) I see little reason why a wolf would push up another wolf. Especially with other good possibilities. example: joining Lewwyn+novice on BRick (always a good place to be when you are a wolf and those are not), or onto TT: If Pindi is scum too I think moving onto TT and helping lynching him is a far better move for Serdoa and pindi than moving on pindi. Or pushing novice: Afterall he is already involved in a pointless infight with me which might easily lead to 2 mislynches.
All these does point to pindi = village and therefore Azza=scum.

Anyway with the current voting I can only hope that I'm wrong.

But Rowain, would it not be far better to move on pindi, expecting that those on him will actually switch? Ichabod certainly wasn't going to switch, Tasunke.. unlikely. On the other hand, zak? Yeah, he is known for doing last-minute-switches as I am. But pindi and me on TT? How do we explain a late, late switch in that case?

Apart from that, if Azza is scum, why did he stay on Tasunke till the very end? Why not switch - I mean stating that you want your vote to mean something should be a viable defense in that case. Instead we let it come down to a triple-tie? You really believe that?

Btw: I wonder if one of the players will point out that pindi stated that he suspects Azza because he does not consider all other possible targets (which in itself is not true btw, Azza did consider all players, he just isn't fooling around... good call by pindi realizing that and outing it as "scum-behaviour") while he does call Lewwyn innocent because he does not consider all other possible targets. Somethings wrong there, eh?

[uberfish]

1-1 during day is a traitor win unless the loyalist's 1 was the double voter.

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At beggining or end or both?

[Tasunke]

But Rowain, would it not be far better to move on pindi, expecting that those on him will actually switch? Ichabod certainly wasn't going to switch, Tasunke.. unlikely. On the other hand, zak? Yeah, he is known for doing last-minute-switches as I am. But pindi and me on TT? How do we explain a late, late switch in that case?

Apart from that, if Azza is scum, why did he stay on Tasunke till the very end? Why not switch - I mean stating that you want your vote to mean something should be a viable defense in that case. Instead we let it come down to a triple-tie? You really believe that?

Btw: I wonder if one of the players will point out that pindi stated that he suspects Azza because he does not consider all other possible targets (which in itself is not true btw, Azza did consider all players, he just isn't fooling around... good call by pindi realizing that and outing it as "scum-behaviour") while he does call Lewwyn innocent because he does not consider all other possible targets. Somethings wrong there, eh?

But you get a cheat sheet (ie already knowing who is village and who is scum).

I mean, I guess when considering your comment here, both Azza and Pindicator look equally scummy. :P

I wonder if you posted this just to confuse us fellow lurkers XD

---> no real matter tho, unless a miracle happens its pindi that gets the axe, so either way, as Lewger says, Pindi will be on the side that loses.