WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Azza]

Azza: stayed on pin.

Azza gets my vote for not wanting to look at other targets today.

Why would I vote for anyone else? If I look at Lewwyn I see a vigilante. If I look at Jkaen I see someone who looks very much like he was targetted by scum on night 3, as told by an innocent 3rd party in Qg. Am I meant to see some way of possibly thinking these guys are scummier than you? You make the most sense as scum of the remaining people.

What's a pimp do? Could Zak have stopped the scum kill on Night 3?

This is a good question actually. I'd favour assuming that Qg saved Jkaen, but it does give a viable alternative scenario if Zak was theoretically able to stop the night 3 kill. However from memory I thought Qg was fairly adamant that he actively saved Jkaen. I'll have to reread tomorrow to confirm this though.

[pindicator]

I spent the whole day looking at Azza. The only thing I thought out of place was his choice of scans, and I think his answer is good.


Honest question Pindi. DO you think its possible that scum targeted Rowain Night 3.

But Azza is also the only one who isnt looking now

Short answer: i think it is possible because a lot of people were attacking or being attacked by rowain: you & mardoc mostly

Jkaeat work now, will have nore on break

[pindicator]

Azza: stayed on pin.

Azza gets my vote for not wanting to look at other targets today.

Why would I vote for anyone else? If I look at Lewwyn I see a vigilante. If I look at Jkaen I see someone who looks very much like he was targetted by scum on night 3, as told by an innocent 3rd party in Qg. Am I meant to see some way of possibly thinking these guys are scummier than you? You make the most sense as scum of the remaining people.

If you were village you'd have doubts because you would know that messing up now costs you the game. Lewwyn has shown doubts. Jkaen has shown doubts. You know you need to mislynch me, doubly so now that you've cleared jkaen and lewwyn.

Which is why you're the only one who isnt double checking or looking at the "what if i'm wrong" angle. You know who you have to lynch.

Lewwyn & jkaen- coincidentally this is exactly what i was doing last night by asking for your input. I didnt know tasunke would flip village but i wasnt sure he'd flip scum. Just like you're asking questions now! Because you don't know either.

[pindicator]

Look at azza's posts the last day. He's not contributing amything to the discussion, except his reveal which he did in a way to make sure ot could be confirmed. He isnt even throwing discussion pointd around like other people. And today the only reasons he's voted me are necause he says lewwyn and jkaen must be villagers. There is no case being made by him ehy i am scum in my own actions, he's just riding the groupthink's coattails. Also there's no digging into my posts to support the claim because he knows there is no honest case to be made

[pindicator]

You can go even further back than last night. The last time Azza even attempts to make a case on someone is a post against mardoc 2 days ago. But the day nardoc is on the block this is all he posts:

Mardoc seems pretty heavily implicated as being scum.

So his idea of a good reason to vote mardoc is because he is heavily suspected? Exactly what he wants- there is no effort to build a case ir contribute in the discussion on mardoc one way or another.

Lets even look at his post where he accuses mardoc the day before:

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid312343

This is the last contribution Azza makes. He's been happy to sit on the sidelines and lurk for the last two days, and he continues to do it now, even when we are in Lylo

[Lewwyn]

Azza

[pindicator]

Yes, thank you. We just upped village odds of winning to 75% (assuming uber doesn't call a 1 - 1 tie an automatic traitor win). Come on jkaen, let's make it 100%.

Lewwyn & Jkaen, do you have any questions or doubts that I can try to address? I'll go read back through the last night and try to touch base on anything i missed while skimming before work this morning work.

[Azza]

cbf multiquote

I'm not digging through your posts because I don't have the time or inclination to read through 800 posts plus the QT. I know I'm innocent, and that one of the remaining players must be anti-town otherwise it'd already be game over. I'm certain it can't be Lewwyn. And I was fairly certain it couldn't be Jkaen (but more on that later). So it logically had to be you.

With yesterday's supposed non-contribution, I'm happy to go with a case when it convinces me. If it seems to add up, I'm not going to run around being paranoid about it and look for alternatives. Nor am I going to bother to reread to confirm it. And it's not like when I do make a case for or against someone anyone pays any attention to it, except maybe the person I'm attacking/defending.

Just because I don't play like other people doesn't mean I'm scum. The same reasoning got me mislynched in 16. I know that we have to be pretty much unanimous in who the remaining scum is. If less than 3 are on the remaining scum, we have at least a 50% chance of losing. Yes, I realise that I'm lazy and that I only bother to reread if I have something specific that I want to look at. It's not some scum ploy, it's how I play. Lynching me at lylo because I'm lazy is a terrible time to do so.


But, back on Jkaen, looking through the point where Qg claimed doctor and said he protected Jkaen night 3, there isn't actually anything that showed Qg knowing that Jkaen was targetted. So if Pimp Zak had some sort of protective ability, or if the scum chose to not kill that night, he could be scum. It's not enough to get me to change my vote, but it does mean I'm open to the possibility that Pindicator isn't scum. I still think that Jkaen was saved is the simplest, most logical explanation though.

[Jkaen]

Sorry Pind, I don't buy your Azza account of not looking at others today. It always pretty much had to be him or you left as scum, so his choice was a no brainer no matter which team he is on

[pindicator]

Sorry Pind, I don't buy your Azza account of not looking at others today. It always pretty much had to be him or you left as scum, so his choice was a no brainer no matter which team he is on

It's not just today, jkaen. It's the last few days.

Azza, i don't have to re-read 800 posts if i've been paying attention. Heck, i'm skimming most stuff in 10 minute stints so I've probably missed stuff too. But my argument isn't that you should re-read everything and make posts based on my history. It's that you have gone from making good points earlier and writing up posts that show thought and initiative to just lurking and letting these last few days go by without comment. The last two people we've lynched your reason was that they were the popular target and that's it. And now you want to mislynch me without any sign that you think maybe you've got the wrong person. Considering you'd put no evidence that i'm scum, just that you're sure others aren't, that seems a pretty blase approach to have in lylo.