WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[MJW (ya that one)]

Well, Selrahc has not posted so my vote stays were it is... I will look over the thread now. I will probably change my mayor vote now that uberfish is no longer voting for me.

Uberfish is still voting for me. I don't like the not editing rule. So I'll just read over the thread and responed.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Qg5q

My talking with Mattimeo was filler but what else should I talk about now?

I do not know why people are dogpilling on Azza. Ya, he does not post a lot but Selrahc is acting much worse now. He might be a good policy lynch if we don't get a good target though...Saying you don't like Azza is a good enough reason to vote for him early because of his style and what happened last game.

I don't think Tasunke would give any hints in the step-up during the introduction so I don't think the whole arsonist thing means anything. I'm sure I'll have something to go on after the first night.

Serdoa's attack against Q seems to sure for Serdoa to make. It's a bit strange that his first post is so long--maybe Serdoa was talking to his wolf buddies on what to do? So I really don't have anything against Q but I don't like Serdoa for making that post. So would not vote for him for mayor. Serdoa's tone just seems too harsh for right at the start of a game.

Lastly, I think Tasunke misspelling names is just a mistake...

[Ichabod]

@Ichabod

You voted pindicator without reasoning. He questioned you about your reasoning - which you didn't give. At that point you had your reaction already, so there was no reason not give it. But instead you just stated that you believe that novice does not suspect him. And when he called you on dodging his question you still didn't answer, till you were actually called by Rowain on it. And now suddenly pindicator is the one who is suspicious because he doesn't let you get away with a suspicious non-reason vote? Just as a tip: When you are known for making long, thought-out posts about why someone is suspicious you shouldn't get surprised if someone gets suspicious of you when you just put their name in red...

The lack of reasoning on my vote was intentional. It was the same thing I used against TT last game and it worked. I was fishing from a reaction from Pindicator. I had a gut feeling after his Zak vote post that I found suspicious, so I used him as a target. The idea was to fish for a reaction, so I could see if he reacted the way I would expect him to react. Last game TT was very pacific against me, he didn't revenge vote and tried to reason with me (despite me not offering a reason for my vote, which is always bad), which I think was very out of character for TT.

here I was thinking Pindicator was also out of character (his out of character is a harder to see than TT, in my opinion, but is also possible to see). He attacked me by saying I followed Novice, but he didn't ask for my reasons and he didn't vote for me. Well, that was what I was thinking, until this:

My Pindicator vote was based on the fact that I didn't like his Zakalwe vote for mayor. The "I can read him well" justification just don't cut to me, since then you should vote for yourself. Besides, I think it's better to vote for someone that hunts wolves well (zak is good at it, but that was not the reason Pindicator gave). And, as pretentious as it may sound, I thought Pindicator was going to vote for me as mayor (not only him, but he was one of the people I thought would vote for me), since I played good villager games last two games. Voting Zak is also a good way to get him out of your shoes, because Zak is, to me, a bit prone to let people slide in those types of situations.

So, I voted to see his reaction and it was better not to justify my vote. His reaction was interesting, I agree that it was defensive (he didn't ask for my reasoning, he attacked me/tried to put my vote in a bad light as following someone), also worth noticing that he didn't vote for me, despite that.

Ichabod

Quick post before goign to work, but me being Pacific Time Zone means I'm sleeping when most of the talking was going on. I was going to vote for you this morning until I got here. But what's with the bolded part (my bold) -- I definitely asked for your reasoning; in fact I used those specific words:

Ichabod- care to share your reasoning with the group?

Hard for me to vote for you for mayor when you're making gaffs like that.

I don't know how I let that slide, my bad. Seriously, is like my mind has a blank.

Either way, I think I shouldn't be voting for Pindicator now. Not only due to my bad mistake, but also ebcause, if Pindi was a wolf, I think he wouldn't let an opportunity like this pass by. He could just vote for me after my mistake and with all the other votes, it'd be a very safe place to hide. But he didn't.

No vote

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I find it strange that Serdoa questioned my lack of reasoning on Pindicator vote, since I did the same thing with TT, who was his packmate and it worked then. It is a different way to act, but I think getting wolves has a lot to do with putting them in difficult to react situations (like Uberfish did with his self-vote in the WW where we won flawlessly -> he got very close to lynching scooter due to that). I probably could have made up a big post to justify my gut on Pindicator, even with the little posts we have, but this is a bad way to act. i think the way I did it got better results.

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Tasunke, Rowain is voting twice in your tally. He has an extra vote on Pindicator.

[Ichabod]

Qg5q

My talking with Mattimeo was filler but what else should I talk about now?

I do not know why people are dogpilling on Azza. Ya, he does not post a lot but Selrahc is acting much worse now. He might be a good policy lynch if we don't get a good target though...Saying you don't like Azza is a good enough reason to vote for him early because of his style and what happened last game.

I don't think Tasunke would give any hints in the step-up during the introduction so I don't think the whole arsonist thing means anything. I'm sure I'll have something to go on after the first night.

Serdoa's attack against Q seems to sure for Serdoa to make. It's a bit strange that his first post is so long--maybe Serdoa was talking to his wolf buddies on what to do? So I really don't have anything against Q but I don't like Serdoa for making that post. So would not vote for him for mayor. Serdoa's tone just seems too harsh for right at the start of a game.

Lastly, I think Tasunke misspelling names is just a mistake...

A good point. Coupled with what I said in my above post and that I found strange.

Serdoa

[Serdoa]

Ichabod, I didn't question why you didn't post a reason for your pindicator vote. I questioned why you didn't give one AFTER you got his reaction on your non-reasoning vote. And I told you that I think the reaction you got is exactly what you should expect, given that you are known for a different style. So, what exactly is now strange on that?

@MJW

Um, I wanted to comment. But all you wrote about me does actually not match my person at all. It is like you described someone else. I think I am one of the leaders when it comes to upsetting people in WW, because of me being harsh and being certain of myself. So, yeah, maybe you should not do personality analysis like - ever?

[Tasunke]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

(point out any errors please)

Mayor Tally
Serdoa(5)-Rowain, Slowcheetah, Waterbat, Uberfish, Azza, Serdoa
Uberfish (2) - Novice, Mattimeo
Bigger (2) Lewwen, Bigger
MJW (2) – MJW
Zakalwe (1) - Zakalwe
Ichabod (1) – Ichabod
Pindicator (1) Qgqqqq

Lynch Tally
Qgqqqq(5) – Mattimeo, Serdoa, Waterbat, Ubershark, Azza
Ichabod(3)- Rowain, Novice, Slowcheetah
Mattimeo(2)-Zakalwe, Lewwen
Azza (1) - Bigger
Serdoa (1) Ichabod
Selrahc (1) –, MJW
Novice (1) – Pindicator
Uberfish(1)- Qgqqqqq


Not Voting(1)- Selrahc

[Ichabod]

Ichabod, I didn't question why you didn't post a reason for your pindicator vote. I questioned why you didn't give one AFTER you got his reaction on your non-reasoning vote. And I told you that I think the reaction you got is exactly what you should expect, given that you are known for a different style. So, what exactly is now strange on that?

@MJW

Um, I wanted to comment. But all you wrote about me does actually not match my person at all. It is like you described someone else. I think I am one of the leaders when it comes to upsetting people in WW, because of me being harsh and being certain of myself. So, yeah, maybe you should not do personality analysis like - ever?

Ok, that was totally in-character.

No vote

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And I see your, Serdoa, point about the difference between TT and Pindicator. I had misunderstood you too and you are right that it's a different thing. Hopefully I explained why I did it in my post above.

[Lewwyn]

@tas The vote on uber should be Qg not Azza

[Serdoa]

A good point. Coupled with what I said in my above post and that I found strange.

Serdoa

Ok, honestly, I give MJW the benefit of the doubt as he hasn't played for quite some time with us. But you have Ichabod. You agreeing with MJWs "point" (that I am full of myself and that would be not normal... um, I am always full of myself, thats because most of the time I am right) does not make sense. Especially given that your own argument against me is just bad. Maybe you should take a step back and re-read what was posted by everyone, instead of trying to live up to your self proclaimed "I'm the best wolf-hunter and I will show it"-fanatism?

[novice]

I am always full of myself, thats because most of the time I am right