WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[Qgqqqqq]

/off-topic Matt I didn't even realise Brian Jacques was dead
It'd just been ages since I'd read them.

[novice]

WTF?
It takes me forever to type them out as it is, no thats not your problem, but have you heard of something called courtesy?
If you can't be bothered responding to a bunch of posts directed specificaly at you and then proceed to be rude about it, I'm not going to bother reading yours.
Serdoa

9 minutes and you had to read my post first. Funny how you can type without even one typing-error as soon as you are called on it, even with coloring.

Yeah, this is really inane, Old-Fashioned.

The inability to filter posts on poster is annoying. Waterbat, any chance of you fixing your scraper to work with this forum?

[pindicator]

Chiming in from lunch-

Serdoa doesnt seem tge same as last game. Day 1 last game i felt like serdoa didn't chime in much until TT was on the block. Although i guess we could argue someone on the block today is also, but i dont see the obvious attempt to change discussion away from another target like he did last game.

Bigget, i know you said you weren't going to play your normal style but i'm going to ask you to reconsider. If you plan on lurking more just to survive you're doing the village a disservice. I guess i am asking you not to play just to not get lynched.

Ichabod... My take is that the ehole thing was early day 1, so its likely just a villager looking for material to start playing the game. But i'm not a huge fan of his reaction since being called out. The tone seems less open than i would expect from a villager, but i don't see ichabod as a villager that plays not to get lynched. So i think he bears watching but we should get a better guage depending how he plays.

MJW- i don't like the feel of his posts. Pure gut, but i dont think I've played with him before . So maybe there's less [/color]]experience to draw a gut reaction from.

Also dont like Mattimeo's random.irg use. Thats where i went for my first vote when i played wolf.

MJW first

[pindicator]

MJW

[zakalwe]

Ok, now I get curious. How did I orchestrate the lynch on you Mattimeo? zak, care to chime in, as you share his perspective? I know pretty well what I did and why Mattimeo got lynched. But hey, I'd really like to hear your reasoning and how that is similar to this game. And especially why that exactly should be a scum-tell. Please, go ahead, explain yourself, I'm really interested to hear it.

We share the same sentiment that you may be scum. Last game we saw that you pushed quite aggressively for a mislynch, as scum. But I've seen you push hard for a mislynch as town, too, so that's not really a scum tell to me. Still, it's relevant because pushing hard for a lynch might be seen as a slight town tell for many other players. With you, that's not the case. The main reason I suspect you (that I can articulate, at least) is that I disagree with your case against Q.

Btw zak, when you are at it, also explain why you want to lynch one of the Q-voters. What exactly have they done that you want to vote them? Except for voting Q that is. Or are you telling us that the reasons laid out for why he is suspicious are not valid? If so, please explain why.

From what I can tell, the case revolves around the word "useless", that he used to qualify his vote. That's really the only reason I've seen laid out. But from the general tone of Q's posts, I'm leaning towards innocence. It feels like the people voting for him are willfully ignoring 99% of his content and instead focusing on a single word as an excuse for lynching him. Though most of the Q voters just say "Serdoa makes a compelling case, I'll follow him". So if I knew that you were innocent, I'd still be pretty suspicious of all the other Q voters. Just because your accusations against Q were part of a big post, that doesn't mean it's a substantial case. But your followers all seem to view it as some kind of smoking gun. It's not all about Q, either, but saying "one of the Q voters" was a convenient shorthand, because it turns out that many of my top suspects are in fact voting for him. Of course, I still suspect almost everybody to some degree, at this point.

Mattimeo could be scum, too, even if I gave him a town point. But that's a separate matter. I haven't forgotten about him, and he is also a Q voter.

[novice]

Serdoa doesnt seem tge same as last game. Day 1 last game i felt like serdoa didn't chime in much until TT was on the block.

That's because he was AFK most of day 1 last game.

[zakalwe]

Oh, and last point. When you are answering all the questions I asked in my last post, answer me this one as well: Why the fuck are you voting for Mattimeo, getting NO response at all to your accusations and suddenly decide that you go from not trusting him to voting because of what he wrote? I didn't realize it in my last post, but it is really comical how you voted him, stating that he should explain himself better. And then he does not once explain himself at all, just posts that he thinks I feel like last game and suddenly you vote for me. Honestly?

Just to elaborate on this. I've been having a niggling feeling that you might be scum, so when he echoed the same feeling, I took it as a town tell. I don't think accusing you comes off as a survival tactic, so it sounded more like a genuine suspicion.

So I figured it was time to act on that suspicion and see if anyone else feels the same way.

[Selrahc]

MJW- i don't like the feel of his posts. Pure gut, but i dont think I've played with him before . So maybe there's less [/color]]experience to draw a gut reaction from.

Looks pretty standard MJW to me.

Also dont like Mattimeo's random.irg use. Thats where i went for my first vote when i played wolf.

Hum.
Yeah.
Random org can be a crutch against creating meaning from chaos. Not being called.

And I think Lewwyn's point about squirming justifications is quite apt too. As was the observation that so far Mattimeo has been more concerned with self preservation than any other goal.

[Serdoa]

From what I can tell, the case revolves around the word "useless", that he used to qualify his vote. That's really the only reason I've seen laid out.

No, it does not revolve around the word useless. I explained it now 3 times, I am not going to explain it again. Also I am not even saying that it is an especially good case, it is D1 after all. And I haven't pushed for it either. Yes, he got many votes, but thats not because I've gone around and tried to rally them. If nothing else, that should have been appearant as a difference to last game when I pushed for Mattimeo.

But you are right zak. In general I play exactly like I played here now and I deliberately played the same last game when I was wolf. Why would I change? Thats why I was considered town last game and probably could have gone on even after I pushed Mattimeo. thestick even killed me off, because he believed I was considered town. The thing is, seeing this play, all that it tells you is that I play town as I play wolf. Pushing for lynches when I believe they should happen. And therefore that is not at all anything that makes me suspicious. What it does is not making me town just because I push for someone.

Now, you state that I am suspicious for you because of my case against Q. A case you showed that you have not grasped completely. And all voters for Q are suspicious as well - you sound extremely as if you try to discourage everyone to even consider voting for Q. But as you state

"It's not all about Q, either, but saying "one of the Q voters" was a convenient shorthand, because it turns out that many of my top suspects are in fact voting for him."

So, they are not your top-suspects because they vote for him, instead they are your top-suspects and additionally they also vote him. And still I am the one you vote for, except that for me your suspicion is only that you don't like my case on Q. The same as for all other Q-voters obviously, which are by your own words your top-suspects AND vote for him. Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for one of those then?

[novice]

Qgqqqqq made a vote that pushed Azza to the top of the lynch vote. And stated that it was useless.

Serdoa's case is that it's patently not useless since it put Azza in danger of being lynched.

Qgqqqqq's response is that it's useless because the Azza wagon will dissolve long before lynch anyway.

I dunno, I'm not seeing any wolves here.