WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[Bigger]

I wasn't planning on breaking my silence yet, but I'm quite annoyed with Serdoa.

re: novice: since the wagon mostly disbanded, I voted azza mainly to start a bandwagon and see how people reacted. Azza's a good target for pressure because he has played the same lurky style both as village and scum in the 2 games he's played and it's hard to read. I expect that most of the village would think the same way due to what happened in 17.

Brilliant. Azza is enigmatic and difficult for a lot of people to read - mostly because he doesnt give the village a lot of info to work with. we've read him wrong twice now, lynching him when he was innocent and letting him survive when he was scum. He's the perfect target to put pressure on early when there's not a lot to go on and see what shakes out.

Serdoa, you recognized what we were doing, you even mentioned in your vote analysis that you understood the votes by me, Zak, and Uber. As well you should - I spelled it out to you in our mason thread when I was doing the same thing to thestick in ww16. That worked out pretty damn well for the village. If you understood what we were doing, why did you feel it necessary to white knight Azza? Why not keep your mouth shut and see what develops? The dogpile completely dissipated thanks to you coming to his rescue, before we could get any information at all from Azza. I can't think of any pro-town motivation you could possibly have for helping Azza out.

[Tasunke]

OFFICIAL TALLIES

Mayor Tally
Serdoa(6)-Rowain, Slowcheetah, Waterbat, Uberfish, Azza, Serdoa
Bigger (3) Lewwen, Bigger, MJW
Ichabod (2) – Ichabod, Novice
Zakalwe (2) – Zakalwe, Qgqqqq
Uberfish (1) Mattimeo


Lynch Tally
Qgqqqq(5) – Mattimeo, Serdoa, Waterbat, Ubershark, Azza
Ichabod(2)- Slowcheetah, MJW
Serdoa(2)- Zakalwe bigger
Waterbat(2) qqqqq rowain
Mattimeo(1)- Lewwen
Azza (1) – Bigger
Uberfish(1)- Novice
Slowcheetah (1) – Selrahc
Mjw (1) -pindy

[MJW (ya that one)]

Serdoa, could you respond to my responses?
I'd like to hear your thoughtss on the case now that i'vee refuted it.

I'm not seeing it refuted, but honestly, half of your posts are making no sense for me due to the immense amount of typing errors and incoherent sentences, so I might very well not even have read it.

hhmmmmm..........

Qgqqqqqq
I really have nothing to say as I cannot get a solid read on anyone. That said I think Serdoa is really angry. So he is probably a villager or the Dragon.

Pindi's attack against me is too vauge for me to defend against and that's all I have to say about that for now.

Azza is a lurker so is a good lych target but some people are worse than him

Selrahc is posting even less and its been too long for the timezone agrument to really be that plausible. That said he could just being lazy like me. Selrahc has standards to live up to unlike Azza; however I'm not seriously think about Selrahc for now because there is someone worse than him.

Ichabod is lurkering, almost as bad ass Azza and Selrahc, and is considered a great ww player. That's pretty bad but add to that a strange thing he did and he gets my vote. The thing is him switching to Serdoa alone due to a post of mine and then suddenly switching off at the slightest pressure from Serdoa--as I said before.

[Mattimeo]

Quick skim-through has me unvoteing Qgqqqqq.

Responses / working out who to actually vote for instead coming after more detailed read-through.

[Mattimeo]

pretty sure, meta discussion > *

Sry i dont get this ?
mind explaining the last bit?

'>' == is greater than
'*' == wildcard that matches everything

How did I orchestrate the lynch on you Mattimeo?

Sorry, vehemently pushed my lynch until it was successful, effectively based on one comment/vote. Which appears remarkably similar to the current situation with Qgqqqqq.


Voting wise:

My only real scum tell on Serdoa is stated above. And it's only really a scum tell because of the circumstances - latching on to someone and chucking the kitchen sink at them, while not necessarily play I'm all that fond of, as far as I'm aware doesn't necessarily entail any tell of itself. So while I defintiely disagree with the mayor votes, I don't know that he's worth a lynch at this stage.

Particularly disliking the recent waterbat posts. Exploring other directions is more likely to increase information gain over mindlessly zerging the current favourite. And I'm really not sure how the logic of "I should help lynch this person, because when he turns up innocent it'll make the other people voting him look suspicious" could ever work. The fact that the only posts preceeding these consist of contentless fumbles, followed by jumping on the Qgqqqqq wagon, doesn't exactly help matters, either.

[Lewwyn]

@Serdoa do you suspect anyone besides Qg? I mean you seem to be focusing pretty entirely on Qg. Your earlier post suggested you suspected me and Mattimeo as well, but since then you haven't really stated what you thought beyond retorts to others.

[pindicator]

slowcheetah, you are reminding me a lot of your WW15 self so far. Care to contribute a little?

Selrahc, what is your reasoning behind the slowcheetah vote? Also, I'm going to take your word on MJW acting as his normal self.

Qgqqqqq is definitely angrier than last game. His posting seems to have even gone up, if that was possible. Last game he had a carefree tone to his posts, but this game there is some abrasiveness there. Could be just from him and Serdoa getting in a tiff, though.

Hmm pin you do realise TT was scum?

Yeah, I know he was scum. That's why i used the little quotation marks around "cleared". The point was that he was defending TT (to save fellow scum) and Bigger (for village cred). This game I don't get the same impression and I'm leaning village on him.

And Serdoa, you say that you try to play the same way, but your attacks day 2 in the last game were scummy to me. They all seemed like they were done with a purpose -- pushing arguments away from coco at the time -- not with a desire to find the truth. This game I don't see that from you.

Mattimeo gets my vote. Not a fan of how he's reacted to his voting. I know some of the bad posts have already been touched on, but I don't remember Mattimeo being so angry last game. Especially this post - he's even lashing out at himself. Last game he was at least trying to explain a case. I didn't think his logic last game was "atrocious" as he puts it , and I don't undestand why he would attack himself so hard unless he was trying to gain sympathy.

[Mattimeo]

Mattimeo gets my vote. Not a fan of how he's reacted to his voting. I know some of the bad posts have already been touched on, but I don't remember Mattimeo being so angry last game. Especially this post - he's even lashing out at himself. Last game he was at least trying to explain a case. I didn't think his logic last game was "atrocious" as he puts it , and I don't undestand why he would attack himself so hard unless he was trying to gain sympathy.

Yes, because my defence last game was so successful - definitely something I should be trying again.

[pindicator]

I hope that's not how you're seriously looking back at it. You were pushed hard by scum last game as a counter to coco being on the block. Hardly anything to be upset about, and you at least put forward a case on Tasunke.

But that was last game. Who are you suspicious of in this game?

[Lewwyn]

Mattimeo gets my vote. Not a fan of how he's reacted to his voting. I know some of the bad posts have already been touched on, but I don't remember Mattimeo being so angry last game. Especially this post - he's even lashing out at himself. Last game he was at least trying to explain a case. I didn't think his logic last game was "atrocious" as he puts it , and I don't undestand why he would attack himself so hard unless he was trying to gain sympathy.

Yes, because my defence last game was so successful - definitely something I should be trying again.

Man this comment is confusing Mattimeo. What are you trying to say? Your logic last game was better than this game, and so now you are attacking yourself in a way to make your mistakes seem more normal even though you aren't. Your comment here is sarcastic and unhelpful and distracting from the real issue. It seems to me you're trying to prove that different this game is an intentional villager move and you are trying very hard.