WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[zakalwe]

Let me rephrase then: Given that you're not so confident in your case against Q, what do you think of the people who followed you on him?

I'm voting for you because I haven't been convinced that anyone else is a better lynch, yet. I may well end up on one of the others instead, but I only have one vote, and for now it stays on you.

[Qgqqqqq]

p183 glad it made someone laugh.
Disagree about selrahc lurking - timezone still feels plausible. Dissapointed that he didnt go through cases tho - same goes for you MJW with regards to mat.

p185 erm what?
still dont get the meaning of meta>*?

Agree on wb and tbh agree on serdoa - scummy the way hes pushed but not enough to be a target today. (on that note - im still angry serdoa, but as you dont get why ill explain in lurker post game )

p186 like to know this too.

p187 yeah tiff more then general a

[Qgqqqqq]

...general anger. I have more time today and tomorrow, but after that my posting will taper off as internet is patchy.
oh sry.
Agree on odd feel re mat.

p192 feels weird, reiterating stuff while ignoring peoples questions feels more like going emotional b/c its easier then awnsering questions.
also the problem matt is that people ARE calling on you already, which you are ignoring.

p194 sry serdoa, but though you havent been pushing the wagon, you have been focussing on your (flimsy) reasoning to the ...

[Qgqqqqq]

(virtual) exclusion of everything else. Yes you have been in explaining mode but not b/c people dont underrtand your points but b/c people arent sure why you keep fixating on your (pathetic) argument and insisting that theres a hidden brilliance to it.
If theres been a change (and i havent noticed one) then it centres around the fact that ive effectively refuted your points and the question is now how much signifgance one places on the word "useless."

p196 the same goes for you wb - you ARE being asked..

[Qgqqqqq]

direct questions and not responding to them.
you still have not made a (sane) case of your own (also who is stating that )

p197 good point about slow weve heard precious little from him and azza. As it is tho its easy for him to ignore you - without reasoning or a wagon theres no need for him to respond. I'd also like to hear more of your thoughts on the actual pushes and wagons of today.

p198 eh there is a lot of general suspiscion on matt, doesnt explain his behaviour but yknow
last few posts:..

[Serdoa]

How did I orchestrate the lynch on you Mattimeo?

Sorry, vehemently pushed my lynch until it was successful, effectively based on one comment/vote. Which appears remarkably similar to the current situation with Qgqqqqq.
[/quote]

But thats not true Mattimeo. I did jump on you on D2 for a bad comment, at a time with better tells available. I did push vehemently to get you lynched, basically telling people to vote for you. I really worked hard to get you lynched.

And now, look at today. Instead of D2 it is D1, early D1 even. I did point out a bad comment, without better tells available at the time (imo). I did NOT push vehemently to get Q lynched. I never told anyone to vote for Q, I didn't even try to rally ANY kind of assistance. I just pointed out what I found suspicious, people agreed with it and voted accordingly. And thats it. No hard work involved on my part - except when I had to start defending against weak accusations without anything backing them up apart from "uh, I don't like your case" (note: not "I think you made your case up", just "I don't agree with your perception of what is suspicious") or "I am annoyed because my masterful plan of not doing anything was screwed up by someone actually playing".

You know why I am so pissed (apart from because I got called names and insulted)? Because what is presented here about me does not remotely resemble what I've actually done all game and NO ONE steps up to even point that out. Yes, you don't go around and answer questions for others, but you should definitely point out if someone is making cases up. And thats exactly what zak is doing, making a case up.

[zakalwe]

Imagine what the quicktopic looks like if Q is scum:

Q: hey guys we shld totly bus me
Mattimeo: yeah, great idea
Waterbat: I'm on board with that
Azza: k
Uberfish: sure, why not
Serdoa: <wall of text>
Q: on day 3 or 4
Q: dammit


Cross-posting with Serdoa, will read and reply.

[Qgqqqqq]

Serdoa it feels a lot like you keep avoiding questions and instead attacking people.
For instance when lew asked for your suspiscions you instead complained about insults + it should be noted that those that you then decry are those who disagreed/argued against your case.

That more then anything is what makes me (and presumably others) think you are married to/pushing my case - that you have refused to discuss anything but that case. You asked earlier who has made it a major discussion point - its YOU by

[zakalwe]

And thats exactly what zak is doing, making a case up.

Actually I'm trying to get you to engage in a discussion about potential other suspects, if you've noticed. But you just keep brushing everything off with angry dismissals.

I'm saying: Hey Serdoa, let's talk about other suspects.
You're saying: OMG YOU'RE THE SCUM BECAUSE YOU ONLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT ME

Do you see where I'm coming from?

[Qgqqqqq]

stubbornly refusing to discuss anything else.
sleep now try to be online come morning
preview: oh fuck look who posted