WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[pindicator]

GL village!

[zakalwe]

Ichabod the White Werewolf was burned alive

Uberfish the Argonian Alchemist was eaten by wolves

Pindicator the Seeker of Truth was poisoned

So the dragon killed Ichabod, and the werewolves killed Uberfish. But who poisoned Pindicator? Seems hard to believe there will regularly be one day kill and three night kills. Should be a fast game, in that case...

Before I head for bed; MJW, why did you switch your vote from Q to Waterbat a couple of minutes before the deadline?

[Selrahc]

MJW

[waterbat]

Even I got it and I'm rather dim-witted

I was on board with uber as the dragon! I'm a little worried about his death being a frame job on zak, but it's also possible the wolves wanted to get rid of the dragon too.

Hmmm. The poisoning. The last thing I want to do is lead us on a tangent of never-ending meta, But I'm guessing the poisoning and assassination are methods of the same group ( hunters ).

When I finally get computer access while awake ( 36 hrs from now at the latest ) ill do a big re-read.

I guess the pindicator-ichabod flirting can be taken on face value.

[waterbat]

Posting slow on my phone. That meant I got zak's joke.

I didn't think we'd need to ask MJW - he has to feel compelled to explain that action.

'seeker Of truth' for pindicator. Assuming he was a seer or role-scanner?

[Tasunke]

Official Lynch Tally

MJW(2) - Zakalwe, Selrahc

[Azza]

Somehow, I'm still alive. Not sure what happened there.

So we just need to make sure enough elementals live to outnumber the scums. Assuming we lose azza and are down to 2 (fire, earth) that sounds as difficult as a normal game.

So we just need to make sure enough elementals live to outnumber the scums. Assuming we lose azza and are down to 2 (fire, earth) that sounds as difficult as a normal game.

I'm the Air Elemental. The elementals know the alignments of each other.

He just said they knew each others alignment, not that they were all village. How do the elementals work Azza, do you have an elemental quicktopic?

So we just need to make sure enough elementals live to outnumber the scums. Assuming we lose azza and are down to 2 (fire, earth) that sounds as difficult as a normal game.

Azza said that he knew the other elementals alignments, not that they all were town.
Are there elementals you know are scum, Azza? Can you reveal them? That seems too easy to be allowed, so maybe its worth seeing who you suspected if you can't

I don't know of any scum elementals, and obviously I'm not going to reveal who, if anyone, are the remaining village elementals yet. Was slightly vaguer than I intended.

I'm happy to put some pressure on MJW for now to hear his explanation for his late vote switch.

[waterbat]

finally in front of the computer and..... the thread is dead. no americanos?

[waterbat]

oh long x-post with the aussie! congrats on surviving the night azza.

[Lewwyn]

Wow. I mean wtf. And you guys were all up in arms about MY game being too hard on the village

SO all of you voting MJW, you all read Zak's crosspost with the results right? And you all saw how Zak answered Uberfish's comments?

First:

Here's something I prepared earlier in case I don't survive the night

Nice. Getting the arsonist is obviously great, and having Azza as a confirmed innocent is also a boon.

Yeah, so zakalwe is probably scum with Q then.

What makes you so sure he had any teammates?

This post is insincere and scummy.

This is so right. This is such a scummy post. In particular the "What makes you so sure he had any teammates part" is just flat out scummy. Instant distancing from the possibility that Qg was his partner. Hinting at the possibility that Qg is working alone. As a result Zak is the first person to suggest (obliquely) that Qg was working alone and that Qg had no partner. This was then taken up by others as well. Eventually Tasunke reveals that Qg had to have a partner so I guess Zak got screwed there.

Now I felt parts of Zak's response to Uber were also scummy. Particularly how they "crossposted" with the results. Did Zak fail to post them before the deadline. SO he wasn't worried about getting nightkilled? Some of his post is fine an is a null tell. He makes a fair point about possibly being on scum other than Qg. I don't take issue with that. The bit about flattering Azza again I think is a null tel.

3) leading question aimed at role fishing and/or accusing me of bussing

The flip said "The Arsonist", very much implying a solo role (at the time). But you leaped right to saying I must be his buddy.

I do take issue here. You are now accusing Uber of being scum looking to mislynch you by insinuating that his leap indicates hidden knowledge before Tasunke revealed it. Unfortunately Uber was killed last night by wolves. Was that not in your plan as Qg's partner?

Anyhow this all fits with zak's typical scum MO.

It doesn't. At least not any more than it fits my town MO. Take a step back and look at my play and explain how I would be more likely to do the things that I did as scum, than as town. I don't think you can. You're just throwing out a bunch of null tells to back up your intuition. (Even in the event that you're scum, it seems like you really think that I am, too.)

I also disagree with this Zak, I do think that you're play has been off. I think you were slow to get off of Serdoa earlier and slow to admit that he may simply be angry because he's Serdoa. I also think that you were at a loss for other suspects until I proffered a few possibilities, albeit a wrong with Azza. But you pursued it with as much or more gusto as I did. My point is here that you were looking for other people to help rather than rely on yourself to start a new wagon.

I'm amazed that you've got everyone headed after MJW now.

Zakalwe