WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[Selrahc]

Well, I don't have an active night-ability (or day-ability, for that matter).

Not entirely sure that's likely to sway your argument much, though...

Mattimeo, do you at least have a passive ability? I really don't believe that you are a vanilla villager.

[Mattimeo]

One of those abilities the game rules forbid us from revealing that we have? I'm afraid I couldn't say.

Not vanilla villager, though.

[Rowain]

Back and uptodate.

About MJW: we have 1 confirmed villager (Azza) who does confirm that he got jailed which means MJW did not lie about that. Now MJW's craziness aside I can't see any reason why scum MJW jails Azza. Afterall beeing elemental (very powerfull) and most likely doublevoter nobody would expect him to have a night-power too. So for me it is clear: MJW = village.

About zak: I'm a bit surprised that nobody even commented about my thought about him (Here ) Id ofind his actions more strange now. Claiming Mattimeo has to be scum becaue he didn't move anywhere during the night is crude logic at best.

All that made me wonder why would zak follow Mattimeo (there were a lot of targets for him) but then I realised that zak has voted for Matt before. It is also to note that MJW would have redirected a kill to Mattimeo (which I read he thought Matt to be scummy) so I can see village zak follow Matt the same as I can see scum zak do that.

About Mattimeo: I don't like his play so far. One overthetop reaction at day1. He voted Qg based on random.org a thing uberfish did doubt .When he later got furious he announced:

Screw it, sticking on Qgqqqqq 'cause the case Serdoa is building looks interesting.

But at the end he jumped ship

Quick skim-through has me unvoteing Qgqqqqq.
Responses / working out who to actually vote for instead coming after more detailed read-through.

Followed by a vote for waterbat while at the saem saying that Serdoa looks scummy:

Sorry, vehemently pushed my lynch until it was successful, effectively based on one comment/vote. Which appears remarkably similar to the current situation with Qgqqqqq.
Voting wise:

My only real scum tell on Serdoa is stated above. And it's only really a scum tell because of the circumstances - latching on to someone and chucking the kitchen sink at them, while not necessarily play I'm all that fond of, as far as I'm aware doesn't necessarily entail any tell of itself. So while I defintiely disagree with the mayor votes, I don't know that he's worth a lynch at this stage.

Particularly disliking the recent waterbat posts. Exploring other directions is more likely to increase information gain over mindlessly zerging the current favourite. And I'm really not sure how the logic of "I should help lynch this person, because when he turns up innocent it'll make the other people voting him look suspicious" could ever work. The fact that the only posts preceeding these consist of contentless fumbles, followed by jumping on the Qgqqqqq wagon, doesn't exactly help matters, either.

So in short: waterbat is scummy because he voted Qg a vote Mattimeo held upright for a long time. Serdoa is scummy because his case vs Qg is interesting enough to stay on Qg and a scum tell too

[Selrahc]

One of those abilities the game rules forbid us from revealing that we have? I'm afraid I couldn't say.

Not vanilla villager, though.

I wasn't saying reveal your power. Just checking if you had one. Hum.

[Rowain]

Mattimeo

[Rowain]

About waterbat: I wait to see if he can deliver what he promised.

[Azza]

I'm not getting scum vibes at all from Mattimeo personally. Zak seems like a much better lynch to me.

[zakalwe]

Claiming Mattimeo has to be scum becaue he didn't move anywhere during the night is crude logic at best.

That isn't exactly the point I was trying to make, although I certainly don't blame you for parsing it like that. I've been suspecting Mattimeo all along, but since he didn't go anywhere I was initially a bit hesitant to go after him today. But when everybody started talking about how they have not only one active ability, but sometimes even two, it occurred to me that my result probably didn't count in his favor, anyway.

Your breakdown of his play yesterday is excellent. It also struck me as curious was that he expressed suspicion towards Serdoa, even while voting with him on Q, but never followed me on Serdoa when I gave him the chance. MJW didn't follow either, btw., even if he said he didn't trust Serdoa. Ichabod followed, but backed off immediately when Serdoa snapped back at him.

(Again, to everybody who thinks I'm in league with Q: why on earth would I get in Serdoa's face like that, and stay there? It was freaking day 1; how hard is it for me to get someone lynched, without facing off with Serdoa? Look to Ichabod for a much better example of how scum is likely to behave around Serdoa.)

I earlier made the case that Mattimeo would have been a much better target if I wanted to save Q yesterday. I think I had some real traction on him, and he had already gone into sulk mode (feigned or real) which really would make it a cakewalk to finish him off. So why didn't I just do that, instead of going off on an abrupt tangent? I think it's interesting that this argument was given zero weight by Mattimeo today. I don't think it's a poor argument, but even if it were, if there's one person it should appeal it to, it would be him.

[Mattimeo]

About Mattimeo: I don't like his play so far. One overthetop reaction at day1. He voted Qg based on random.org a thing uberfish did doubt .When he later got furious he announced:

Screw it, sticking on Qgqqqqq 'cause the case Serdoa is building looks interesting.

... that *really* wasn't where I was getting actually annoyed.

But at the end he jumped ship

Quick skim-through has me unvoteing Qgqqqqq.
Responses / working out who to actually vote for instead coming after more detailed read-through.

Halfway through the day counts as 'at the end' now?

Followed by a vote for waterbat while at the saem saying that Serdoa looks scummy:

Sorry, vehemently pushed my lynch until it was successful, effectively based on one comment/vote. Which appears remarkably similar to the current situation with Qgqqqqq.
Voting wise:

My only real scum tell on Serdoa is stated above. And it's only really a scum tell because of the circumstances - latching on to someone and chucking the kitchen sink at them, while not necessarily play I'm all that fond of, as far as I'm aware doesn't necessarily entail any tell of itself. So while I defintiely disagree with the mayor votes, I don't know that he's worth a lynch at this stage.

Particularly disliking the recent waterbat posts. Exploring other directions is more likely to increase information gain over mindlessly zerging the current favourite. And I'm really not sure how the logic of "I should help lynch this person, because when he turns up innocent it'll make the other people voting him look suspicious" could ever work. The fact that the only posts preceeding these consist of contentless fumbles, followed by jumping on the Qgqqqqq wagon, doesn't exactly help matters, either.

So in short: waterbat is scummy because he voted Qg a vote Mattimeo held upright for a long time. Serdoa is scummy because his case vs Qg is interesting enough to stay on Qg and a scum tell too

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Disliking the general play of waterbat was seperate to the specific wagon he jumped on - it being Qgqqqqq was entirely incidental, the same as the first slip being made by the person I'd cast a completely random initial vote against.
Serdoa was scummy because I was interpreting his actions as similar to last game, where he directly got me lynched. So I'm (as I stated fairly clearly) a little biased there.

You're making it out like I was significantly more attached to my Qgqqqq vote than I actually was. Though that seems a fairly common trait amongst those playing, so I don't know why I'm surprised...

[Lewwyn]

So now everyone's up on mattimeo? Where's this support Day 1 and early Day 2!?



/wine watch