WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[slowcheetah]

[quote='Lewwyn' pid='317843' dateline='1355450579']
Slowcheetah I like your posts and I think they are pretty well thought out, but your attack on me is strange.

[QUOTE]First I never "dropped" Zak's case. I voted for him first thing in the day, but it's two days slowcheetah. I wasn't just going to sit on him for two days while doing nothing else. That is a poor use of our only resource, time. I've done that before, sit on someone all day, and I've been wrong and it got me nothing. SO I voted for Matt to A) stir things up and B) see who would follow me. Unfortunately the villager has been so damn quiet that there wasn't really any movement until I went to bed.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much the same reason I looked for a case against you. I just wanted to hear you say it.

[QUOTE]I've trodden carefully around waterbat since?? I don't see this at all. First off Day 1 I never said anything to the effect that I thought waterbat was innocent. I had a basic null read on him. I interacted with him on some of the meta stuff because he answered but I was much more focused on other suspects namely, Azza, Mattimeo and Qg. On Day two I went back to look at who Ichabod voted for and it was Waterbat. I drew the conclusion that Waterbat is not a wolf and he's also likely not one of the other scum. He could be the SK, but I'm giving him a village lean. How am I trodding carefully? I started with analyzing a confirmed scum and then it led me to waterbat.[/QUOTE]

You've consistently stated that you have a village lean on him, although it doesn't amount to much it's a good method of keeping other scum from killing you.

[QUOTE]As for the bit about Serdoa being SK. Waterbat brought it up I commented on it and was curious who said it. I'm not sure what else to say about that.

The last part where I brought up the WW history. Go look when I said it. I was alone. Posting by myself. And bored. I was thinking about how I messed up and how three kills looked bad for the village. I thought it was interesting so I posted it. If anything I think its a null tell. I don't think it should give village or scum cred. I could have easily done it if I were scum.

Overall... this is sort of a weird because you've already stated you don't think I've acted scummy, but you think I'm scummy based on feel. Fine I get it because I've been there. Sometimes I've been right and sometimes I've been very wrong. This time you're wrong.
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I think you are a good enough player that you will
a) Give away minimal to no tells, particularly as a serial killer where you can actively scum hunt.
b) Your play when you're playting well has subtle touches, not designed to achieve very much, but just to suggest you are either on the villager's side (ensuring to tell everybody you're off to bed) or not in a fit state to hunt wolves (pretending to be drunk (maybe this one wasn't so subtle :P).

I want people to keep you in mind, particularly because we have no leads on the serial killer as of now. I agree that currently Zakalwe is probably the best lynch, closely followed by Matt and MJW.

Zakalwe

[Rowain]

You're making it out like I was significantly more attached to my Qgqqqq vote than I actually was. Though that seems a fairly common trait amongst those playing, so I don't know why I'm surprised...

Matt you are usually trying to act as cool as possible.It is hard to get your true feelings from your tone. Last game you stayed cool so much (and without claiming) that you got lynched as villager. In my impression your posts were as forcefull as you might get. And you were attached to your Qg-vote defending it etc etc and you found it far more imperative to unvote Qg then to vote for somebody else. You didn't give a reason for your unvote. Those 2 posts (184 & 185 do sound wrong to me. The more I read them the less I like them.

[Serdoa]

Back and uptodate.

About MJW: we have 1 confirmed villager (Azza) who does confirm that he got jailed which means MJW did not lie about that. Now MJW's craziness aside I can't see any reason why scum MJW jails Azza. Afterall beeing elemental (very powerfull) and most likely doublevoter nobody would expect him to have a night-power too. So for me it is clear: MJW = village.

Reason: To appear villager if questioned. A villager that tried to save our only confirmed villager. I think that alone is a good enough reason - that alone was reason for me to jail zak last game. And @Azza we had much better targets to jail last game. Yes, we didn't know zaks role, true, but we did know latest by D2 that Lewwyn was Vigilante. We still jailed zak, because I requested us doing it due to me not being sure how to explain that I jailed Lewwyn if asked, his play was to atrocious to actually protect him.

I'd suggest try to not think so much in terms of "how is this power used the most efficient". If you do that, you think like a villager. But scum won't think so - and if they do, they'll deliver themselves sooner than later.

[Lewwyn]

due to me not being sure how to explain that I jailed Lewwyn if asked, his play was to atrocious to actually protect him.

Thanks buddy!

[Serdoa]

Sorry if I hit a nerve there :/ but I thought it really would bring my point across.

[Mattimeo]

Matt you are usually trying to act as cool as possible.

Needs more emphasis on the 'trying'

It is hard to get your true feelings from your tone.

Assume it's relatively jocular 'til excessive expletives / blatantly obvious sarcasm start replacing the verbosity and you can't go far wrong.

In my impression your posts were as forcefull as you might get.

#192 didn't clue you in that I could be rather more acrid than resignedly leaving my vote where it was given a lack of other real candidates?

you found it far more imperative to unvote Qg then to vote for somebody else.

You make note yourself of the two posts in sequence where I unvoted Qgqqqqq, re-read the thread to that point, and voted someone I found suspicious. Not sure where you're getting the idea that I saw no importance in voting someone else.

You didn't give a reason for your unvote.

Ah yes, my bad. Reasoning was basically that I was never all that invested in the vote (random initial selection, and then what I considered a fairly minor scum indication to keep it there in preference of finding someone more suspicious at that time), and the vitriol that was already taking place around Qgqqqqq's lynch candidacy turned me off remining involved.

[Rowain]

Reason: To appear villager if questioned. A villager that tried to save our only confirmed villager. I think that alone is a good enough reason - that alone was reason for me to jail zak last game. And @Azza we had much better targets to jail last game. Yes, we didn't know zaks role, true, but we did know latest by D2 that Lewwyn was Vigilante. We still jailed zak, because I requested us doing it due to me not being sure how to explain that I jailed Lewwyn if asked, his play was to atrocious to actually protect him.

I'd suggest try to not think so much in terms of "how is this power used the most efficient". If you do that, you think like a villager. But scum won't think so - and if they do, they'll deliver themselves sooner than later.

Would you have jailed zak if he had been a confirmed villager or wouldn't you rather have tried to kill him?
I really don't see a reason to lynch MJW without a surefire prove that he is scum.
Even if he were scum (and I don't see that possible) MJW will get killed by one of the other factions.

[Rowain]

I was just compiling a list of my town/scum reads when I realised that Matts play as scum(or at least the caseI had vs him) only makes sense when he is allied wiith Qg.

But given that he didn't move last night that leaves only few possibilities:
a) there is a 1-3-3 setup in which case we should go out and lynch Tasunke because how the hell shall we win that?
b) zak was lying about his scan or result but that makes little sense
c) Somehow He is immune
d) he is a villager

[zakalwe]

I had previously reached the opposite conclusion, Rowain, that his play wouldn't make sense as Q's partner. Mainly because I find it a bit hard to believe that he'd drop a random.org vote on his partner. So what is your reasoning that leads you to conclude that he can't be Ichabod's partner?

Another thing. Poisioning is usually a delayed kill. So maybe the poison was planted during the day, and the killer didn't move at night.

At any rate, I find it suspicious from a pure meta standpoint that he claims (indirectly) to only have a passive ability.

What do you think of my theory about the red (or is it orange?) deadline post? I think it does point towards the hunters having day time actions.

[waterbat]

1. So, have finally all players realized that with all their super, incredible, awesome powers they are actual only one in many in this village? We are an anime-village, consisting of superheroes which are in search for treasure, pride and blood. Because to be quite honest, it starts to get a little bit annoying that everyone runs around and trys to make sure he will not get lynched because he has those immense useful powers and it would be really bad for the village. You know what would be bad for the village? To mislynch a villager, even he has a role without powers.

2. My MJW-vote: Selrahc is appearantly the only one who noticed it as well, so maybe I read to much into it. But his role is called "Village Demon" (no, that sounds wrong, MJW interchanged a word with village I would guess), that in itself makes me worry. But secondly and more importantly, his role-abilities. Jailer is easily the ability of a hunter (with his traps) and redirector I also see likely as a hunter-ability, but especially in this 3 scum-factions-setup it fits for scum. Village has protective roles as we know by the setup-post, but redirector is not a protective role in itself. As another point, that post from MJW is exactly what I assume is cracking under pressure for him. He is alone, has to fight for himself and suddenly several players vote for him. As village, he could take that much more lightly. So, all that together with his late switch to waterbat (which might very well indeed have been a try to save him) seals the deal for me.

I agree so much on these points - having participated in #1 - I only did so when it was 7-2-2-2-1 or some such vote count.

Here's the problem with #2. We can't meta alignment from the roles. Well.....not yet anyway. Tasunke put a bow in my hand (a hunter's instrument) and a poison arrow (our suspected hunter method of death delivery).

So.. yesterday, I fired my arrow. Yep, at a time when we are beset by hunters and wolves, I went out hunting.... for squirrel. I hit one, but as I came up to retrieve it, I noticed it was blind and... a cute little guy... and still alive! Then he ran off into the woods. Now I need someone who can follow a blood trail to volunteer to track him down.... yes in a time when we are beset by hunters and wolves, I need someone to volunteer that they can smell blood (joking)

Based on my knowledge of poison, I do expect Zakalwe to drop dead at the end of the day. He might have some immunity or someone could protect him - or perhaps even cure him now that I've put this out there. SO.... if we want to make sure he's dead, we can go ahead and lynch as well.

if i wasnt on my phone, I probably would have switched to MJW for that late switch, but we've seen villagers do this before (a.k.a. pindicator, myself) out of strategy or confusion.

Now for today's vote (can we have a good tally?) I believe the next best target is MJW - I still kind of hope to see my little scenario play out where MJW is actually QGqqqqqqq's partner and Zak is Ichabod's. That seems a bit too tidy. Leaves only the dragon (assuming 8-1-1-1).

@ zak - flip scum.... please













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