WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[waterbat]

oops cross posted with rowain / zak.

I see what you mean about MJW getting killed by other faction regardless. But... if zak flips hunter/wolf that might eliminate the other faction, there might only be the SK left to kill him off. I am willing to wait on MJW. really unsure about the lynch vote today - but I'd ask people vote off of zak unless they *really* want to make sure he dies.

@zak - you've done such a great job today you are totally making me regret my choice.

My action was a day action AND works as delayed just as you say.

[waterbat]

oops cross posted with rowain / zak.

I see what you mean about MJW getting killed by other faction regardless. But... if zak flips hunter/wolf that might eliminate the other faction, there might only be the SK left to kill him off. I am willing to wait on MJW. really unsure about the lynch vote today - but I'd ask people vote off of zak unless they *really* want to make sure he dies.

@zak - you've done such a great job today you are totally making me regret my choice.

My action was a day action AND works as delayed just as you say.

[waterbat]

and before someone crushes me for doing it (I've tried to alter my style/personality to avoid hedging, but it still comes through), yes I say MJW's late switch *could* be village, and I also say we *can't* meta the alignments from the roles, and then go on to say MJW is still my preferred candidate.

[Rowain]

I had previously reached the opposite conclusion, Rowain, that his play wouldn't make sense as Q's partner. Mainly because I find it a bit hard to believe that he'd drop a random.org vote on his partner. So what is your reasoning that leads you to conclude that he can't be Ichabod's partner?

Why would he then move and that in such an awkward fashion. If he were Ichabods partner he would stay where he is (neither he nor Ichabod were in real danger then with Qg leading 5:2 befoer his switch) and let the day pass.

Another thing. Poisioning is usually a delayed kill. So maybe the poison was planted during the day, and the killer didn't move at night.

Possible but we had already a daylight kill. OTOH it would give some reason for pindicator as target.

What do you think of my theory about the red (or is it orange?) deadline post? I think it does point towards the hunters having day time actions.

Honestly? Not much. I can already hear Gaspar handing out tinfoil hats.
Reasons: The night deadline was singlecolor (well it was in white the colour of Ichabod) but it still counted for all and I don't see any reason why Hunters should get their own colored deadline when it is at the same time (they were posted within a minute).
Of course should there be again colored deadlines today (or any other day) then I will subscribe to your point of view.

About meta: I don't think we can meta here in Tasunkes universe. We are fighting Dragons and Werewolves and the Hunters are enemies too? Shouldn't the latter be pro-town? Why is an Arsonist member of Hunters? Isn't that rather a contradiction?

Mattimeo might well have hidden some truth about his power(s) but I rather lynch him (or anybody else) for his play than for Meta.

[Lewwyn]

So are you claiming day vig? And when you say shot Zak yesterday, you mean the first half of Day 2?

[Rowain]

@WB you didn't mistake pindi for a squirrel? And you are sure you had nothing to do with novices demise?

[slowcheetah]

I was just compiling a list of my town/scum reads when I realised that Matts play as scum(or at least the caseI had vs him) only makes sense when he is allied wiith Qg.

But given that he didn't move last night that leaves only few possibilities:
a) there is a 1-3-3 setup in which case we should go out and lynch Tasunke because how the hell shall we win that?
b) zak was lying about his scan or result but that makes little sense
c) Somehow He is immune
d) he is a villager

I could see him being paired with Ichabod, although given that Ichabod died day one there isn't much to go on.

Ichabod's voting pattern

Pindicator->No vote->Serdoa->No vote->waterbat

Mattimeo's voting pattern
Day one
Q->unvote->waterbat

The final day one tally on waterbat was

Waterbat(6) mattimeo, Ichabod, qqqqq Nocive Zakelroy MJW

Whilst there isn't very much to suggest an actual partnership, there wouldn't necessarily need to be any suggestion of collusion on day one. I know when I've played wolf we've very rarely gone in with a strategy for the day and our only 'team' acts are to surreptitiously avoid excessive interaction with a packmate. Reading through I didn't find any interaction between Mattimeo and Ichabod. Yes, they both ended up on waterbat, but that was relatively early on, when Azza and Q were the main thrusts of the thread. Consequently, it might have seemed a safe place for them, out of the 'why did you lynch an innocent' crossfire. They also may have had some communication and decided to end up on the same player; assuming that if one got caught, the other could get away with 'Why would we both be voting the same player?'.

I don't see any reason why they couldn't be on the same team, not much that they could either, but Ichabod died too early for many links to be forged.

In light of waterbat's revelations, I'm going to vote Mattimeo as the scummiest candidate for the minute.

[waterbat]

@Rowain: nothing to do with pindicator or novice. The way my mechanic works is delayed - I put in the order on Day 1, and it takes effect end of Day 2 phase. Or I put it in day 3, and it takes effect end of day 4 phase. Based on that, today at sundown is the earliest i can claim credit for.

@ Lewwyn: I did it day 1 near the deadline. I basically doubled down that I had come down on the correct side of QgQQQQQQ - Serdoa fued and that at least a few of those about to mislych me were scum. I wanted to save my arrow, but expected to die to lynch yesterday. Now that we have revealed multi factions - and small ones at that - I realize its just a crapshoot. That's why if zak isn't the super-obvious partner of Qgqqqqq - maybe he's ichabod's.

I expected more of an uproar questions like "How could you circumvent the democratic process and kill one of us on your own???" it felt so wrong. Although i should have guessed it was going to be difficult after reading of your killing spree in ww17, lewwyn.

[waterbat]

also with the accelerated rate of deaths, if i should stumble upon another poison-tipped arrow, I would feel compelled to go out for a bit of hunting again today. Thoughts? (villagers only please)

[slowcheetah]

also with the accelerated rate of deaths, if i should stumble upon another poison-tipped arrow, I would feel compelled to go out for a bit of hunting again today. Thoughts? (villagers only please)

It's bloody hard to tell, I had a brief look at the numbers but there is so much that is up in the air in this game. 3 packs, protective roles etc.

Zak was a good shout but my gut says leave it for a second time, there's too many kills floating around to be good for the village.