WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[Azza]

Bigger

[Rowain]

can we get a vote count pls?

Bigger - Rowain zakalwe Serdoa
Mattimeo - slowcheetah Lewwyn
MJw - waterbat Bigger
slowcheetah - Mattimeo Azza
zakalwe - MJW

No vote: Selrahc

[Rowain]

and now with azzas vote too:

Bigger (4) - Rowain zakalwe Serdoa Azza
Mattimeo (2) - slowcheetah Lewwyn
MJW (2) - waterbat Bigger
slowcheetah (1) - Mattimeo
zakalwe (1) - MJW

No vote: Selrahc

[slowcheetah]

Do you see him more as Ichabod's partner or the serial killer, Rowain? If he was Ichabod's partner could them both appearing to want to run for mayor be a plan?[/color]

I only care about his groups if it heavily influences his chances to be scum. For examle my doubts about mattimeo beeing scum (despite me voting him) because I could only see him as Qg's partner (contrary to zak) and that didn't match well with zaks scan.
I don't remember anything that gives strong hints in one or the other direction.

I looked back and interestingly enough Ichabod actually asked Bigger a few questions, which were subsequently ignored by Bigger. Probably not something that would happen if they were sharing a quicktopic.

Ichabod post 261

Bigger Wrote: I wasn't planning on breaking my silence yet, but I'm quite annoyed with Serdoa.

(December 10th, 2012 14:04)uberfish Wrote: re: novice: since the wagon mostly disbanded, I voted azza mainly to start a bandwagon and see how people reacted. Azza's a good target for pressure because he has played the same lurky style both as village and scum in the 2 games he's played and it's hard to read. I expect that most of the village would think the same way due to what happened in 17.


Brilliant. Azza is enigmatic and difficult for a lot of people to read - mostly because he doesnt give the village a lot of info to work with. we've read him wrong twice now, lynching him when he was innocent and letting him survive when he was scum. He's the perfect target to put pressure on early when there's not a lot to go on and see what shakes out.

Serdoa, you recognized what we were doing, you even mentioned in your vote analysis that you understood the votes by me, Zak, and Uber. As well you should - I spelled it out to you in our mason thread when I was doing the same thing to thestick in ww16. That worked out pretty damn well for the village. If you understood what we were doing, why did you feel it necessary to white knight Azza? Why not keep your mouth shut and see what develops? The dogpile completely dissipated thanks to you coming to his rescue, before we could get any information at all from Azza. I can't think of any pro-town motivation you could possibly have for helping Azza out.

Does this mean that you think Azza is a wolf? What other interest wolf Serdoa would have in saving a villlager? So, shouldn't you be voting Azza.

Ichabod post 271

Bigger Wrote: Serdoa - I'll respond the same others did to me trying to lynch you over Azza. If you're right, doesnt that mean Zak and Q are teammates? So why not just vote Q?


Not necessarily, in my opinion. Even if Qg is innocent and Serdoa was mistakingly accusing him, that doesn't change the fact that Zakalwe made a case against Serdoa based on an argument he used against Qg that Zak also had used against Mattimeo earlier (the main point of Serdoa's case against Zak, as far as I understand). A zakalwe wolf could attack Serdoa for a lot of other reasons than just to defend Qg.

Regarding Serdoa's case, I don't see it. I remember that my thought on your case against Qg, Serdoa, was that he made a non-useless vote (voting the guy who was being bandwagoned at the time) calling it useless. That's what i had in my mind as your main point and I think that's what Zakalwe called you about when he started accusing you. I see that you made the same argument against Qg that Zak made against Mattimeo, but, like I've said, I think Zak's reason was a different one.

I also think that Zak can be a bit "unfair" (not exactly the right word, I don't think he has any ill-intent) when he makes his accusations as a villager. Though I didn't understand exactly what are you calling wrong evidence used by Zakalwe, so I have to reread and judge it.

Right now, I'm more confident about voting for waterbat.

They both ended up with opposite view points and opposing end votes (Ichabod (waterbat+Novice)), (Bigger(Q +Bigger)) so that was probably a waste of time and a bit of a null tell

[Bigger]

wtf, ichabod asked about me voting mayor for pindicator, which was an error, I meant to lynch vote. he figured it out before I could respond. what othe rquestion did he ask me?

[slowcheetah]

if you guys lynch me for lurking then you're a bunch of dicks .
especially since I announced my plan to do so pre-game, and despite that have contributed a fair amount, to the best of my abilities.

if I am a lurker, what the hell is rowain? what has he contributed? LESS than me, thats for sure.

I have a strong role that I would rather not reveal, please let me make it far enough to do some scum hunting for ONCE as a villager, geez.

Actually I've found pretty much all of rowains posts today to be pretty helpful, more so than yours. Additionally, EVERYBODY has a strong role in this game, just role reveal if you're going to.

he was almost existent day 1, whereas I appeared and was quite active the last half of the day despite my self-imposed restriction.

You're picking, out of two days he's been extremely helpful one of them. Why are you trying to pick apart Rowain at this point, how is he going to pick up enough lynch momentum?

[slowcheetah]

wtf, ichabod asked about me voting mayor for pindicator, which was an error, I meant to lynch vote. he figured it out before I could respond. what othe rquestion did he ask me?

Eurgh my formatting wasn't gret but the question is at the bottom of post 261.

Does this mean that you think Azza is a wolf? What other interest wolf Serdoa would have in saving a villlager? So, shouldn't you be voting Azza.

[slowcheetah]

I don't think Ive played with a wolf Bigger, does he tend to panic when he gets close to the block?[/color]

[Selrahc]

I'm not really sure how to vote here. This entire meta is weird. But I think going with the guy who knows a big chunk of village roles can't be a really bad move. So I'm going with Mattimeo on Slowcheetah. (Maybe with Azza on Bigger if I see a good argument before lynch time)

[Bigger]

well it doesn't look like I have a choice.. I'm a a village fortune teller.
with my crystal ball I can scry peoples names. like "dragon." no, no such luck or I would have spoken up. I did scan MJW on day 1 and got "void demon," though. not village demon. which sounds awefully menacing. which is why i am voting for him in the abscence of a zak lynch.
I also have some herbs and can cure poison. and some tarrot cards which are a passive ability that.. makes me unconcerned about the night phase .

pls fucking give me a shot at finding the dragon tonight, or another wolf.