WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[Serdoa]

Btw: The - in my overview-sheet does not indicate nothing but I don't want to reveal what it is yet. I need the Hunter first to agree to work with us, then I will reveal.

Azza

@Rowain

You know that you can't win right? If you lynch Selrahc today, you can assassinate the Dragon, nightkill one villager and then get voted off. Or you can assassinate one villager, dragon nightkills you, you probably can't retaliate (nk-immunity) and that is it for you.[/color]

[Serdoa]

I dont think we have to be at 3-1-1-1 right now. I'm expecting the earth elemental to remain unclaimed until his death or game ends.

I assume there is no earth elemental. Because there is no one left to be it.

[Azza]

Serdoa, I'm not sure if I missed it, but who's your number 1 suspect right now?

[Serdoa]

Rowain -> Hunter / Wolf / Dragon
Selrahc -> Hunter / Wolf / Dragon
waterbat -> Hunter / Wolf / Dragon

So, all in all, I know that you are Air Elemental, that Mattimeo is Fire Elemental and that I am Hill Giant. And I am pretty certain that we have 3 scum left. Therfore all of them are my no. 1 suspect, as all of them are scum. I do believe that we can't win as village anymore (even if we lynch scum, they will openly talk in the thread at night as the game will be over by then in regards to lynches), and so the only way to at least achieve a draw for us is by working with one of them. And what is our incentive for them that they work with us? Well, whoever is not working with us will get lynched and lose the game instead of getting a draw. Right now we have 4 votes in our possession (due to your double-vote) and even if they start openly coordinating right now, they can't prevent the lynch.

Therefore I suggest we offer a deal to achieve a draw together with whoever wants to work with us.

[Rowain]

Serdoa Serdragoa you did so well till now but I fear your love for risky play cought you now.

I think you are reading too much into Tasunkes posts. I'm not sure how Seeker for Truth would fit with a vig (pindies role) I understand that to rather be a seer. But more telling is your logic here:

You know that you can't win right? If you lynch Selrahc today, you can assassinate the Dragon, nightkill one villager and then get voted off. Or you can assassinate one villager, dragon nightkills you, you probably can't retaliate (nk-immunity) and that is it for you.[/color]

You seem to be sure that Selrahc is not the Dragon and that I'm not the Dragon either which makes me wonder why you are so sure about that. It only leaves you or waterbat as dragons and a poison-dart(waterbat) doesn't fit that well which means you are the Dragon. I also note that you obmit the possible nightkills besides yours which shows that you have not the best intentions.

I think you do know that I'm the one who assassinated novice + Bigger but your error lies in the thinking that I'm scum.
You obmit several points: a) were I scum doing it your way means the village loses no questions asked and a villager Serdoa would never propose it that way.
b) If you were village then you wouldn't need any help from scum. Azza with his 2.1 votes as mayor, Mattimeo + me(+ any villager) would be absolutly enough to vote off whomever they want. I see no reason why villager Serdoa asks for help.
c) I think you are feeling lonely as dragon and that is your last attempt to saw confusion

Therefore I suggest we offer a deal to achieve a draw together with whoever wants to work with us.

You offered the deal to me first without asking any others which leads me to the believe that you are the Dragon.
(See above)

[Rowain]

Serdoa

[Serdoa]

I think you are reading too much into Tasunkes posts. I'm not sure how Seeker for Truth would fit with a vig (pindies role) I understand that to rather be a seer.

I understand that Rowain, so I won't get angry, but please, read my posts completely. I am certain that pindicator was not just a seer (no matter his role name, which can be misleading anyhow) as Tasunke plainly stated in his write-up that pindicator wanted to kill someone but that one puffed away in a shadowy smoke (could that be MJW, I wonder...). So, yeah, it is obvious that pindicator was a villager (because he died and we know) and a vigilante (because he tried to go and kill someone in the night).

But more telling is your logic here:

You know that you can't win right? If you lynch Selrahc today, you can assassinate the Dragon, nightkill one villager and then get voted off. Or you can assassinate one villager, dragon nightkills you, you probably can't retaliate (nk-immunity) and that is it for you.[/color]

You seem to be sure that Selrahc is not the Dragon and that I'm not the Dragon either which makes me wonder why you are so sure about that. It only leaves you or waterbat as dragons and a poison-dart(waterbat) doesn't fit that well which means you are the Dragon. I also note that you obmit the possible nightkills besides yours which shows that you have not the best intentions.

I am so sure about neither you nor Selrahc being Dragons because looking at what happened waterbat got the most fire from both scum-teams, so I assume he is on neither. And that leaves you and Selrahc being Wolf / Hunter. You mentioned the possibility of another wolf, so it is safe to assume you are the Hunter.

I think you do know that I'm the one who assassinated novice + Bigger but your error lies in the thinking that I'm scum.

Well, at least we know that by now, so I at least am certain you are the Hunter by now.

You obmit several points: a) were I scum doing it your way means the village loses no questions asked and a villager Serdoa would never propose it that way.

Explain in detail please why. Honestly, explain it why the village would lose my way. If you are hunter, we lynch the Wolf. You HAVE to assassinate the dragon (fearing NK-immunity), leaving you alone with just 3 villagers. Though you could choose to just not assassinate the dragon but one of us, making it 2-1-1 at the night. At that point Dragon kills you, you kill one of us, draw between Dragon and Village. Best case for you that you find an agreement with the dragon and you kill the 2 villagers, leaving you at a draw. But that assumes a few things, not the least that you can actually trust him AND that there is not one of us villagers that have something left in his pocket.

But hey, we come to it later that this won't matter at all. I wanted to draw out the Hunter, I did. Thats good enough for me to be honest, as indeed your assassination is really making it hard for us villagers to win. Btw: Rowain With you dead there is only the wolf and the dragon, and I can protect against the wolf. Thats my active ability. I guess some other villagers had the protection against fire and poison. Mattimeo, Azza, you probably know I guess?

b) If you were village then you wouldn't need any help from scum. Azza with his 2.1 votes as mayor, Mattimeo + me(+ any villager) would be absolutly enough to vote off whomever they want. I see no reason why villager Serdoa asks for help.

Because you are not a villager Rowain. Easy.

c) I think you are feeling lonely as dragon and that is your last attempt to saw confusion

Nah, Azza at least knows me from last game certainly good enough + I am known at RB for being extremely competetive. I don't think anyone believes that I simply felt lonely and therefore decided to throw a good chance away. Dragon has right now probably highest chance to win if he is indeed NK-immune.

Therefore I suggest we offer a deal to achieve a draw together with whoever wants to work with us.

You offered the deal to me first without asking any others which leads me to the believe that you are the Dragon.
(See above)

Yeah, hoping to draw you out. Worked, didn't it?

For Tasunke:

Rowain the last hunter

[Azza]

I think you do know that I'm the one who assassinated novice + Bigger but your error lies in the thinking that I'm scum.

Wait.

Why would village assassinate novice? That's crazy.

Rowain

[Selrahc]

Rowain

[slowcheetah]

Looks like my heroic deed was so truly spectacular, it has to remain shrouded in mystery. :P
Good game folks.