WW 18 Siege of the Dragon! (Game Thread)

[Serdoa]

INOFFICIAL MAYOR TALLY

Azza (4)* - Rowain, Serdoa, Mattimeo, Azza

INOFFICIAL LYNCH TALLY

Rowain (3)* - Serdoa, Azza, Selrahc
Selrahc (2) - Mattimeo, Rowain
Serdoa (1) - waterbat

[Rowain]

Bigger got votes so that he starts talking Rowain. I was the one doing the case on him. And HE was the one to get everybody to jump on Lewwyn. Lynch material? I think you overestimate yourself by far here Rowain. I'm not certain that even with my case from yesterday it would have been enough to get the other players to follow me to lynch him.

And Bigger he had your vote, mine and the double-voters vote on him. I think thats enough pressure to get him lynched. As a matter of fact he only didn't get lynched because he was also mayor.

As for the revenge strike of Lewwyn: Isn't it curious that he used it on MJW? Searching for the Dragon - or why did he use it on MJW? Because that was the single-best target he could find? Did not YOU make the argument that Azza would have been so much better to lynch in that case?

Maybe you gave the answer yourself. Revenge strike. Maybe he couldn't hit Azza or slowcheetah as none of them were voting him. So why not let Lewwyn kill Bigger and I kill slowcheetah or Azza?

Oh, but it does. I don't play for my survival Rowain, I play for the win of the village. If I can make them win, by lynching you and subsequently being killed by you, thats fine for me. Either only Selrahc is left as scum at that point, then it will be 2-1 at day and they lynch him. Or waterbat and Selrahc are scum, but then we are again at the point were a 1-3-3-9 setup is most likely. And as I know I am village that means you are scum, so at least by dying I'll take one of you with me.

Really I think you are lying here. Maybe your Dragonscales are immune vs Daggers and all your talking about nightkill immunity is to prevent you getting targetted at night.
And tell me why is it better for the village to kill me then killing Selrahc? How do you plan to win if you are right? Wouldn't the loss of your WW protection mean that the both scum kill the both villagers and thats all there is for the village? Makes no sense your play that way as a villager with your abilities.
Or do you believe that lynching me prevents the assassination? No Luck there. Technically the assassination happens before the lynch. He told me if I assassinate someone who gets lynched he will write it that the victim got assassinated on the way to the noose

@Tasunke: Could you please clarify that getting lynched does not prevent me from assassinating anyone?

[Serdoa]

@Azza, Mattimeo

Another point to consider for why to believe me: I was on zak since D1. He had defended a scum but I did not try to get him lynched. In fact, despite being in the stronger position I did talk with him and try to find out what was going on. I was a little bit upset because I thought he twisted my words. But at the end, I decided not to pursue him anymore. I could not know at that time that waterbat had poisoned him, waterbat told us only later in that day. Why did I already before that decide not to go for zak? I mean, he is the perfect mislynch in that situation. Strong player and if I am dragon certainly not on my team. I didn't do it though - reason? I am a villager.

[Serdoa]

@Tasunke: Could you please clarify that getting lynched does not prevent me from assassinating anyone?

Rowain, in that case, don't assassinate me, as I have shown via several different signs that I am not the Dragon or any scum at all. But thats the issue, you just want to survive.

[waterbat]

forgot about mayor
Azza

@Serdoa - i wasnt very clear, but the scenario in which the dragon (i assume is you) is most afraid of the hunter (Rowain) seems more plausible. Ideally, of course, we vote Rowain and he strike down the dragon - as I mentioned earlier.

what say you, Rowain? We'll bury you in a nice plot instead of dumping you on a rock and letting the gulls peck out your eyes. Your family name will not be ruined - instead it will be edified in the annals and sung from the towers throughout this great land.

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[Mattimeo]

Speaking of Azza and Matt, what are your thoughts? I know that being confirmed village takes the pressure off, but please don't disengage!

But Serdoa and Rowain are doing such a good job of hanging themselves, I didn't want to spoil their fun


meta arguments:
I'm about 95% sure that Serdoa is dragon. More certain than I am about whether it's 5-1 or 3-1-1-1, even.
As I've stated before, and pretty much everyone seems to agree with, waterbat as dragon does not make any sense.
Rowain as dragon... seems unlikely, as that would then give dragon two kills a day, which I'd consider excessive. Though would make more sense than a random hunter having the same power.
Selrahc. Maybe.
The amount of smoke Serdoa is pumping out today, though, and his insistence on 3-1-1-1 (thereby giving alternate lynch targets than just the dragon), make him by far the most likely option.


other randomness, meta-based (assuming 3-1-1-1)
assume hunters and wolves mirrored for balance
We know:
Wolf seer (Bigger)
Wolf ? (Ichabod)
Hunter vig (Lewwyn)
Hunter ? (Qgqqqqq)

Therefore, assume need wolf vig, hunter seer.
Only one kill from Lewwyn, only one kill from waterbat -> waterbat wolf vig (rather than Rowain)
Selrahc hunter seer


Problem:
Day kill is worrisome. Significantly more worrisome than night kill. Even if it can be used at the same time as death, since there's a good chance it'll still be around tomorrow if it's scum aligned.
Existence of day kill seems to point to a faction that is not wolf or hunter, given apparent uniqueness (and re-usability).
Use of day kill does not look town-aligned at all.


Favoured scenarios at this point:
5-1, Serdoa dragon
3-1-1-1, Serdoa dragon, waterbat / Rowain hunter, Selrahc wolf
3-1-1-1, Serdoa dragon, waterbat wolf, Selrahc hunter

common theme:
Serdoa dragon

[Mattimeo]

@Tasunke: Could you please clarify that getting lynched does not prevent me from assassinating anyone?

I really don't know that would necessarily change anyone's mind about the need for you to be lynched. Whether you're town or scum, I don't know you're that likely to be the target of whatever scum we have tonight, so you'd be around tomorrow to kill someone anyway, if you're not lynched here.

[Serdoa]

Well, Mattimeo, it seems you will lynch me, simply for the reason that you hope that I am the Dragon. I am not, but I can't prove that it seems. I could offer to tell you my passive, that will probably get me mod-killed, giving you proof about me. Unfortunately, that will also mean that you are down 2-2 in the night, impossible for the village to win imo. But maybe you have something up your sleeves, so if you want, I will do that (and of course if that is not considered gaming the system, as I guess that rule is not there to break it on purpose).

Also, I will vote with Azza, no matter what happens. If you vote to lynch me, so be it. I told you all I could.

[Tasunke]

Warning ... Warning ... incoming meteor.

[Mattimeo]

Ohh fun, a meteor :D