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Here we GvG again...

So, after what turned into a lengthy chit chat on guild chat this afternoon, several of us got it into our heads that we could GvG out of RB again. To be more ambitious, however, I threw out the idea that if we actually worked for it, we could probably get our rating back over 1000 and start competing in daily tournaments, getting ourselves some reward points. That's actually what sparked the interest; getting some form of reward for it. In any case, we figured that since now that we have SF back...ish, and with Courin turning into a GvG addict, we'd have enough people available to build an actual team.

Now, I know we've done GvG groupings in the past, but that's mostly been bring whatever you can (not even really byob) and has sometimes included builds that really should not have been taken out of a PvE setting. Well, this time I'm going to be working out a build with Fox (did I forget to mention that part on guild chat, Fox?) and we'll be running said build. Moreover, we're actually going to be working on team co-ordination and communication. We might even be able to pull some players that know what they're doing in (i.e. borrow kisu mentors) to help out. Maybe.

So, now you've seen my idea. What am I asking of you? Well, without intending to scare people away, I want commitment. I don't mean a daily time commitment (though that would be nice). What I mean is, I want people to be commited to improving themselves as players, not just brushing losses off with an "oh well" and not giving them a second thought. I want people to actually learn and become better players. One of the easiest ways of doing that without actual match practice is to observe the top guilds. Watch the way they play, see how they execute spikes, how they move around the field and where they position themselves, who they pressure, etc.; and also be aware that we will never be them. We need to play to our own strengths, not theirs.

You should have noticed by now that I've avoided the issue of time. I'm going to keep avoiding that issue as long as possible.

One other thing that needs considering is the guild hall. Solitude is not very beginner friendly. It'd be nice to change the hall to something a bit easier to work with, but I'll be making a new topic about that to avoid the fiasco we had the last time the idea of changing the hall came around.

Ok, I don't want this to get too long so I'm going to stop here.
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Lurker Wyrm Wrote:...and with Courin turning into a GvG addict....


I am? yikes
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Courin Wrote:I am? yikes
Yes, you are. Fox siad so, so it must be true.
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Yes, I'd be for buildwarsing and analyzing mistakes and plays together on observer mode and such, as well as bringing our less experienced players up to speed. No, I don't think that means we can "compete" with sub-300 guilds populating ATs, although we could certainly play them. There's more I could say, but I don't want to discourage a show of interest if it's there.
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Well, as I said in guild chat earlier, since I have more time during the school quarter I'm up for GvG. I've played in a few PvP type things and have found it pretty fun. As long as Fox doesn't give me an ebon dust aura paragon, I think I'll be fine. :neenernee

I can pretty much run anything since I'm UAX and have a dedicated PvP slot now.
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Jude might be interested as well; I can't offer any assurance about time commitment though, if we're speaking weekly meeting. Not to mention daily. Which is too bad, because I know that if RB starts GvGing with the mindset to improve, they can surely reach top 1000 level.

One thing: let everyone express his opinion and give feedback about the build, on the forums; don't say you'll "be working out one build with Fox". That way you can explain what works and why better than in-game. Also to avoid last-minute "I don't like it" stuff from annoyances like me tongue
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You're the only other person in the guild who has comprable recent PvP experience compared to the two of us, and at that you haven't gvged any other role than monk/flagger to my knowledge. But the build of course will be posted on the forums in advance- I'll be pushing for something meta-based anyway since I'm not confident on making crazy creative GvG builds.
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You didn't get my point tongue

I'm not questioning your ability to create build and I'm not thinking anyone will be able to provide many good insights when you two are done, including me. You should encourage forum discussion though, so people understand what they have to do and why are their bars built like that - and they understand it before GvG. PvP is a lot more complex than PvE, a gwshack link won't be nearly enough for the purpose like with Mallyx, also because of our low-to-nothing experience.

I need to write better.
"Ignorance is the night of the mind, but a night without moon and star." Kong Fuzi
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I get what you're saying there, mucco, and yes, that is something I plan on doing. We can/will explain skill choices and have discussions as to why we're choosing certain skills - I'm not looking to force builds on people.

I do have some ideas that I'll be posting in the future (aka a different thread) about improving as a PvP player in general, some I got from kisu, some I'm getting from outside GW.
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mucco Wrote:I need to write better.

Kinda. tongue I just don't want to spill pages of ink on why power attack or crossfire is a bad pick, or why the SoR water ele flagger is completely outdated, especially for players that haven't put time into trying recent meta bars to understand how they work before altering/ditching. For people that haven't hardly touched GvG in a while, you need to try something out against the current meta before you'll know enough to suggest something different.
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