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New FFH/EITB PBEM?

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December 24th, 2012, 19:50
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Hmm. Giving one or two adventurers to each team sounds kind of fun ^_^

I guess, to balance things out, if a Grigori person joined in they could get a Wane or Two in addition (as otherwise the grig would be obsolete in such a set up)
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December 24th, 2012, 19:57 (This post was last modified: December 24th, 2012, 19:58 by Tasunke.)
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Seconded on a strong central AI btw.

Perhaps with the (Ragnarok) capital guarded with a demonic Crossbowman?

Assuming Noble - Prince - or Monarch AI ....

AI could start with 2 Great Merchants, 2 Great Sages, Prophecy of Ragnarok, Demonic Citizens, Warrens, Breeding pit, and 2 workers. As well as a Held Demonic Crossbowman on the Capital.

So you have a pre-placed capital (with a Held Defender), 2 extra workers, and other goodies (mainly unique building types) ... without having to even resort to an extra settler. But, if deemed appropriate, by all means give them an extra settler too.


( monarch AI at the highest to avoid those damned awful free promos, as well as to keep teh game from being too slow via penalties on the players)

I mean hell, I wouldn't mind having Noble AI even, as long as enough ECONOMIC bonuses were added (as well as perhaps two held demonic crossbowmen wink ... but yes, any AI lower than Emperor could be destined to have any number of juicy buffs :D


(so freakin tired of promo bonuses at high diff levels .. I'd rather mod in, or WB in, insane econ bonuses than have them get free promos any day of the week)

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Honestly? Consider this a volunteer to make the map if no one else wants to :D
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December 24th, 2012, 20:00 (This post was last modified: December 24th, 2012, 20:00 by Tasunke.)
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Mass PZs are really cheese though ... so maybe some limitation on the number of PZs they can build ... well hell, I know making a map means I can't mod the core game, but when there is a will there is a way damnit XD
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December 24th, 2012, 21:48 (This post was last modified: December 24th, 2012, 21:51 by Ellimist.)
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I may be interested in joining a game, but the current proposals don't seem very appealing to me.

In particular, I'd rather NOT play with any AIs, especially if they're boosted in any way. I've already done that (pbem27) and it had some unforseen/undesirable consequences.

Even if it's "just" the barbarians that are given superpowers, someone will figure out a way to weaponize them(FFH14).
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December 24th, 2012, 23:04
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Hehehe, I remember FFH14.

What I don't know, however, is what happened in pbem 27. Did someone vassalize/ buddy-buddy with the superpowered AI?
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December 24th, 2012, 23:05
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If a powerful AI is not desired in the next FFH PBEM, perhaps I should make an FFH Adventure smile
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December 25th, 2012, 17:53
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(December 24th, 2012, 23:05)Tasunke Wrote: If a powerful AI is not desired in the next FFH PBEM, perhaps I should make an FFH Adventure smile

On balance, I think this is a better way to handle most of the proposals, anyway. I could be up for the 3-spell adept, possibly, but I honestly think that playing against a field of those currently expressing interest will give us lots of interesting things. Especially if there's diplo. It's when I play the AI that I want someone to design a scenario with strong AI advantages and such.
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December 26th, 2012, 13:03
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(December 22nd, 2012, 23:16)Qgqqqqq Wrote: I'm confused - is there still a ai or just adventurers?

I think we're just spitballing crazy ideas. Likely neither.

(December 25th, 2012, 17:53)Mardoc Wrote: On balance, I think this is a better way to handle most of the proposals, anyway. I could be up for the 3-spell adept, possibly, but I honestly think that playing against a field of those currently expressing interest will give us lots of interesting things. Especially if there's diplo. It's when I play the AI that I want someone to design a scenario with strong AI advantages and such.

I'm happy to play without any gimmicks. Except: I'm still in favor of something to speed up the early game. Like the shades we started with in XX and XXIII. Though the 3-spell adept might have a similar effect: maybe not in speeding early game up, but in making it more interesting.

How do people feel about the FFH vs EitB question? My recollection is that Mardoc and Yell0w prefer EitB, and Ellimist prefers FFH?
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December 26th, 2012, 13:39 (This post was last modified: December 26th, 2012, 13:40 by Merovech.)
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(December 26th, 2012, 13:03)HidingKneel Wrote:
(December 25th, 2012, 17:53)Mardoc Wrote: On balance, I think this is a better way to handle most of the proposals, anyway. I could be up for the 3-spell adept, possibly, but I honestly think that playing against a field of those currently expressing interest will give us lots of interesting things. Especially if there's diplo. It's when I play the AI that I want someone to design a scenario with strong AI advantages and such.

I'm happy to play without any gimmicks. Except: I'm still in favor of something to speed up the early game. Like the shades we started with in XX and XXIII. Though the 3-spell adept might have a similar effect: maybe not in speeding early game up, but in making it more interesting.

If Tasunke is making a powerful AI adventure, perhaps I could make this into an adventure after that, if it is too gimmicky for a multiplayer game.

I have a map idea (can make it FFH or EitB) that I think would be a lot of fun and should speed up the early game slightly...but I think it is probably too gimmicky. Basically, the idea would be that each civilization is actually a scouting group sent to explore a previously unknown continent and conquer it (or control it in some other way, like a ToM victory, etc.). Every nation would start with an additional scout (and maybe also an adventurer?), with a supplies unit, and with Exploration in addition to the respective normal tech(s) (if one normally starts with Exploration, they get Crafting as well). The original idea didn't have any actual AI civs, but I certainly could adjust it to include one or some.
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December 26th, 2012, 14:01
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(December 26th, 2012, 13:39)Merovech Wrote: I have a map idea (can make it FFH or EitB) that I think would be a lot of fun and should speed up the early game slightly...but I think it is probably too gimmicky. Basically, the idea would be that each civilization is actually a scouting group sent to explore a previously unknown continent and conquer it (or control it in some other way, like a ToM victory, etc.). Every nation would start with an additional scout (and maybe also an adventurer?), with a supplies unit, and with Exploration in addition to the respective normal tech(s) (if one normally starts with Exploration, they get Crafting as well). The original idea didn't have any actual AI civs, but I certainly could adjust it to include one or some.

That all sounds good to me. Leaving the AIs out, it sounds like you're talking about a slight variation on the usual start and a map with a some extra flavor?
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