WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Azza]

Surprised no-one's brought up the fact that a counter-claim of miller would give us one garunteed scum out of two people. Seems a pretty good exchange rate for town, even if we hit wrong the first time.
As people have said, straight up claiming miller first thing is pretty much the strongest thing you can do with that role. Rowain

Bigger is apparently already mayor, so I don't see why we should be changing that

Mattimeo why did you completely ignore Rowain's reasoning for why it's not necessarily a good idea?

[Qgqqqqq]

Checking in. I think tasunkes joke was obvious, but glad its cleared up.
in case I've missed it novice can you confirm you have the full tarot card?.

[Rowain]

@Selrahc
Your multiple ways to verify are based on the hope that the village has those tools. And that the villager holding them is willing to use them on novice and survives the night to tell his story.
Risky move yes but novice is very good on such play.

IMO: If novice is a snitch we should lynch him and if he is a villager we should lynch him and get rid of the card once and for all so I really don't see any reason to not lynch novice.

[novice]

Checking in. I think tasunkes joke was obvious, but glad its cleared up.
in case I've missed it novice can you confirm you have the full tarot card?.

I thought the joke was obvious too. I can see MJW taking it literally, but Lewwyn, didn't you think the joke was obvious?

Yes, I do have the Fool Tarot Card.

@Selrahc
Your multiple ways to verify are based on the hope that the village has those tools. And that the villager holding them is willing to use them on novice and survives the night to tell his story.
Risky move yes but novice is very good on such play.

IMO: If novice is a snitch we should lynch him and if he is a villager we should lynch him and get rid of the card once and for all so I really don't see any reason to not lynch novice.

Rowain, I think you're scrambling for an argument backing up what you perceived as an easy vote. And now you're advocating mislynching a villager to get rid of the Fool card? It's not worth it to eat a mislynch just to get a slightly more reliable Ouija board.

Rowain.

[Rowain]

Rowain, I think you're scrambling for an argument backing up what you perceived as an easy vote. And now you're advocating mislynching a villager to get rid of the Fool card? It's not worth it to eat a mislynch just to get a slightly more reliable Ouija board.

Rowain.

Slightly???

Strange that you advocate against mislynching someone to get a reliable Ouija board but are all for mislynching to gain nothing at all.

[Lewwyn]

Checking in. I think tasunkes joke was obvious, but glad its cleared up.
in case I've missed it novice can you confirm you have the full tarot card?.

I thought the joke was obvious too. I can see MJW taking it literally, but Lewwyn, didn't you think the joke was obvious?

Why can't it be too obvious? Are we just going to dismiss Tasunke as a possible suspect entirely because of it? I'm not taking it literally, I'm taking it as a calculated ploy.

I think Rowain has been pretty logical about the whole situation so far. I don't think we should lynch novice because I think its is more likely that novice is innocent than not, but I see where Rowain is coming from. And I think its consistent with Rowain's throw the baby out with the bathwater approach to playing village.

[Selrahc]

Your multiple ways to verify are based on the hope that the village has those tools.

Do you really think the wolves have the Fool card, the Item Seer and the Lockpick? I think it's quite unlikely.

I think a little of Ockam's Tommygun might be in order Rowain, because your formulations seem like they are much more complicated than would be plausible, particularly as the first thing to assume.

I also heavily disagree with the idea that it is "worth eating a mislynch to get rid of the fool card".

[novice]

Rowain, I think you're scrambling for an argument backing up what you perceived as an easy vote. And now you're advocating mislynching a villager to get rid of the Fool card? It's not worth it to eat a mislynch just to get a slightly more reliable Ouija board.

Rowain.

Slightly???

Strange that you advocate against mislynching someone to get a reliable Ouija board but are all for mislynching to gain nothing at all.

I'm not advocating any mislynches. And it's telling that you're resorting to the "am too" argument already.

If I get to hold on to the Fool card I can just publicize that fact, and we'll have a reliable Ouija board. If the scum have the lockpick and choose to steal my card
1) The cloak could catch them in the act
2) They'd have to leave me with the lockpicks
3) They can't use the lockpicks to steal any other item which might be even more useful to scum

So yeah, I think me claiming having the Fool card is pretty obviously a good play (especially since I'm typically seer target numero uno), and I think you're scrambling to justify your vote.

Brick, will the items in a person's possession be revealed upon the person's death?

Let's assume it will. In that case doing this as a scum gambit would be suicide. It makes no sense.

[novice]

Why can't it be too obvious? Are we just going to dismiss Tasunke as a possible suspect entirely because of it? I'm not taking it literally, I'm taking it as a calculated ploy.

Okay.

Your multiple ways to verify are based on the hope that the village has those tools.

Do you really think the wolves have the Fool card, the Item Seer and the Lockpick? I think it's quite unlikely.

I think a little of Ockam's Tommygun might be in order Rowain, because your formulations seem like they are much more complicated than would be plausible, particularly as the first thing to assume.

I also heavily disagree with the idea that it is "worth eating a mislynch to get rid of the fool card".

Agreed, especially with the bolded part.

[Tasunke]

IMO: If novice is a snitch we should lynch him and if he is a villager we should lynch him and get rid of the card once and for all so I really don't see any reason to not lynch novice.

I kind of agree with this.

Btw, we know lynching gives true alignment ... but does it also tell what items they were holding?