WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Qgqqqqq]

My over reasoning in the don't lynch. novice is that I consider him lests likely then average to be scum. - 10% where the rest are 25%.
You also continue to misunderstand the reasoning behind the percentages, I hope mine explains it better.

[novice]

I think Uberfish's argument does hold water.

Yes it might be correct in 90% of the time, but we do not know when if that scan-result if part of the 90% or the 10% group. Which means for us it is worthless.

Whether you think it's worthless or not, this is what 90% reliable means. It will be part of the 90% group 90% of the time...

A result of "guilty" is 100% reliable because the card is either with me or with scum, and a scum having the card would give a result of not guilty. So if a scan returns guilty, and it's not me, lynch him.

[Ryan]

Sweeks, novice is right, you over analyze posts - you did it to me last game and to selrahc today.
So what if you were right sometimes - if I random vote I will sometimes be right (by the way this is why I hated being evil last game you had no case on ne but you'd think the tactic was right because I happened to be scum)

Lets look at ubers. scenario - if novice. passes it to a evil, then every time the were get a guilty result it is correct. (If he passes it to a village then they should claim it) however every time it gets a innocent result it isn't. accurate -hence the 90/100% figures.
The point that is being. argued is if evil novice passes it to. another scum then they are connected and under scrutiny.

why don't you like my play merovech?

Novice could say he passed it and the other were would lie and say he did while he kept it with him. You are considering that everyone will know if Novice passes it and that he has to pass it.

[Ryan]

I think Uberfish's argument does hold water.

Yes it might be correct in 90% of the time, but we do not know when if that scan-result if part of the 90% or the 10% group. Which means for us it is worthless.

Whether you think it's worthless or not, this is what 90% reliable means. It will be part of the 90% group 90% of the time...

A result of "guilty" is 100% reliable because the card is either with me or with scum, and a scum having the card would give a result of not guilty. So if a scan returns guilty, and it's not me, lynch him.

Then you could pass it to an innocent and bam you framed someone.

[novice]

Sweeks, novice is right, you over analyze posts - you did it to me last game and to selrahc today.
So what if you were right sometimes - if I random vote I will sometimes be right (by the way this is why I hated being evil last game you had no case on ne but you'd think the tactic was right because I happened to be scum)

Lets look at ubers. scenario - if novice. passes it to a evil, then every time the were get a guilty result it is correct. (If he passes it to a village then they should claim it) however every time it gets a innocent result it isn't. accurate -hence the 90/100% figures.
The point that is being. argued is if evil novice passes it to. another scum then they are connected and under scrutiny.

why don't you like my play merovech?

The exception we're missing, that Serdoa mentioned, is if I'm village and I pass the card to scum. So a scan of the person I pass the card to will be unreliable. No big deal, I can keep the card or pass it to someone we don't want to scan. I'm open to suggestions. And as Lewwyn said, we just keep track of who has the card, and all other scans will be reliable. Or someone gets caught in a lie.

[Ryan]

Sweeks, novice is right, you over analyze posts - you did it to me last game and to selrahc today.
So what if you were right sometimes - if I random vote I will sometimes be right (by the way this is why I hated being evil last game you had no case on ne but you'd think the tactic was right because I happened to be scum)

Lets look at ubers. scenario - if novice. passes it to a evil, then every time the were get a guilty result it is correct. (If he passes it to a village then they should claim it) however every time it gets a innocent result it isn't. accurate -hence the 90/100% figures.
The point that is being. argued is if evil novice passes it to. another scum then they are connected and under scrutiny.

why don't you like my play merovech?

The exception we're missing, that Serdoa mentioned, is if I'm village and I pass the card to scum. So a scan of the person I pass the card to will be unreliable. No big deal, I can keep the card or pass it to someone we don't want to scan. I'm open to suggestions. And as Lewwyn said, we just keep track of who has the card, and all other scans will be reliable. Or someone gets caught in a lie.

How will we know you are not lying... Its not like the game announces when you pass the card.

[Ryan]

Just feels like you and Uber are buying time as wolves.

[novice]

Novice could say he passed it and the other were would lie and say he did while he kept it with him. You are considering that everyone will know if Novice passes it and that he has to pass it.

Then you could pass it to an innocent and bam you framed someone.

I will tell who I pass it to and that person will confirm it. Or I need to lie and have an accomplice who lies as well. Not a good scum strategy.

[Ryan]

Novice could say he passed it and the other were would lie and say he did while he kept it with him. You are considering that everyone will know if Novice passes it and that he has to pass it.

Then you could pass it to an innocent and bam you framed someone.

I will tell who I pass it to and that person will confirm it. Or I need to lie and have an accomplice who lies as well. Not a good scum strategy.

Or you are a villager and the person you give it to is scum and will lie about receiving it. That card just has so many holes in it. Thats why I was the idea of removing you and the card. You are also forgetting the pick pocket item that can steal it.

[novice]

Novice could say he passed it and the other were would lie and say he did while he kept it with him. You are considering that everyone will know if Novice passes it and that he has to pass it.

Then you could pass it to an innocent and bam you framed someone.

I will tell who I pass it to and that person will confirm it. Or I need to lie and have an accomplice who lies as well. Not a good scum strategy.

Or you are a villager and the person you give it to is scum and will lie about receiving it. That card just has so many holes in it. Thats why I was the idea of removing you and the card. You are also forgetting the pick pocket item that can steal it.

The first case would create a situation where one of us us clearly lying and is scum. Lynch both, and we trade a villager for a wolf, which benefits town.

The pickpocket: Only scum would steal it, so now we know that scum has the card, and guilty scand will be 100% reliable, and innocent scans 90% reliable. Plus if the item seer is town he would be able to detect the scum holding the card.