WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Serdoa]

Qgqqqq, please read Tasunkes posts. Either you see it or this will only get another "no, I do not read that as you do"-pissing contest and I simply have not the energy for that. The same goes to novice, I have talked enough about what I considered scum-tells from Selrahc. I should have written "another scum-tell" instead of "wolf-slip" though.

And novice, I mean that completely honest: Can you explain me what is wrong about my understanding? That would help more than telling me implicitly that I am dumb I think. And it would be nicer too.

@Qgqqqq:

If a player has 90% innocence chance, and you we're already inclined to innocence, then it may not be confirmation, but it would stop me lynching them that day.

The more interesting question though would be what you do if the board gives the result innocent but you believe the player is scum. Do you lynch him or not?

[Qgqqqqq]

You consider lynching them less, but take it with a grain of salt.
Given the board must be passed on, it might actually be best for the scanner to claim it each night but NOT say who they passed it too.
I'll read them, I find that very weak though.

(I also don't remember such a pissing contest, nor am I trying to engage in one.)

[zakalwe]

Careful what you wish for, Pindicator. For now, I wanted to know if your reply would be "yes, I'm so low that I'd be fine with getting vig-shot" or "no, I misspoke". I had a hard time seeing why day 1 would send you into such a spiral of despair. But since you're saying that was due to RL stuff, I guess I have no further questions.

@Novice. He was saying he'd be fine with getting vig-shot. That's comparable to saying "lynch me". Asking to be killed by scum is a very different thing IMO.

My first though seeing that post of his was that he's scum with the gas can in his possession, preparing a future claim. And then he inadvertently included the vig kill as a possible way of killing him. Whereas a villager with the gas can would have no particular desire to be shot by a vig.

[novice]

Why is Serdoa the first person to question if the gun is in villager hands?
Why did nobody else do this earlier?

I have no idea whether that means we may have had a wolf slip earlier or if Serdoa is being extra-careful with his words here, I just thought that interesting.

Nah, we are told that only the board is definitely with us at the start, so obviously no other item can be considered certainly in villager hands. I actually assume that BRick simply randomized who got what and did not care if scum or village. So yeah, maybe you found a wolf slip by Selrahc. Another one...

A wolf slip by Selrahc? You realize he's quoting you?

If you read all posts as carefully as that of pindicator I certainly understand now your ridiculous stance about Rowain.

I see now what you mean here, Serdoa - Selrahc has talked about the gun implicitly assuming it's with village, so that could be a scum slip. But you can read Pindi's post both ways - maybe it was your "if it is with village" that was the scum slip. Anyway, as I've already said, I would consider neither to be scum tells.

As for the probability thing - let's say you're presented with two berries, one red and one blue. You know that 90% of all blue berries are poisonous, and you know that (say) 50% of all red berries are poisonous. You have to eat a berry. Wouldn't you rather eat the red one?

[novice]

Careful what you wish for, Pindicator. For now, I wanted to know if your reply would be "yes, I'm so low that I'd be fine with getting vig-shot" or "no, I misspoke". I had a hard time seeing why day 1 would send you into such a spiral of despair. But since you're saying that was due to RL stuff, I guess I have no further questions.

@Novice. He was saying he'd be fine with getting vig-shot. That's comparable to saying "lynch me". Asking to be killed by scum is a very different thing IMO.

My first though seeing that post of his was that he's scum with the gas can in his possession, preparing a future claim. And then he inadvertently included the vig kill as a possible way of killing him. Whereas a villager with the gas can would have no particular desire to be shot by a vig.

Well he included the RL stuff in his original post as well.

[Ryan]

@novice I didn't ask you to answer that for Selrahc and speaking of which.

@Selrahc you didn't answer the question I posed and Serdoa explained , you didn't answer aswell when I questioned you changing opinions about the Vigi shot. You only answered a post about the rowain and card debacle which you are saying is not important.after last lynch your starting to admit the power of that card and how destroying it with a lynch is important. You are changing opinions to fast for my liking. Dude all that you are doing is increasing the impression that you twist words , you don't answer direct questions you only choose some of them. You ARE getting my lynch vote tomorrow unless you change . The hypocrisy and clear question dodging or relaying on Novice to answer your questions and waterbats is just scum. actually you changed your opinion on the Vigi shot and went back to thinking its to risky to use after I questioned you about changing your opinion . +20 scum points.

@waterbat you did not answer mine or Serdoas posts . Should I consider this dodging aswell? You are being very sketchy relaying on public defender Novice () or being vague on the question you chose to answer.

About the suicide it just feels that I am not providing anything useful and I already gave a shitty first impression . If I am ruining this game I prefer dying then being a hindrance or annoyance.

[Ryan]

That technique of group attacking Serdoa choosing the few lines to attack ignoring parts of his arguments group defending each other. Defending using the SAME repeated words from day 1. That same technique that ended with Rowain dead. That is if i look at novice and uberfish . uberfish was about Repeating the arguments said and not participating in any other way and barley answering anything except by I defend Selrahc . These are just my reading . All that this group is doing is wasting time bye king Serdoa repeat his arguments and using the same lines to counter argument over and over. If they truly didn't care about The card and Thougth Rowains idea was wrong they wouldn't have kept making this the topic of the whole thing and would have tried discussing something else . That also includes my previous post of Selrahc ignoring most of anything else.

[Ryan]

Quick edit : by king = by making.

[novice]

That technique of group attacking Serdoa choosing the few lines to attack ignoring parts of his arguments group defending each other. Defending using the SAME repeated words from day 1. That same technique that ended with Rowain dead. That is if i look at novice and uberfish . uberfish was about Repeating the arguments said and not participating in any other way and barley answering anything except by I defend Selrahc . These are just my reading . All that this group is doing is wasting time bye king Serdoa repeat his arguments and using the same lines to counter argument over and over. If they truly didn't care about The card and Thougth Rowains idea was wrong they wouldn't have kept making this the topic of the whole thing and would have tried discussing something else . That also includes my previous post of Selrahc ignoring most of anything else.

It's certainly possible that some of us are scum, but you won't see a group of players acting in concert as scum. Scum players are terrified of being associated with each other, so when you see a group of seemingly coordinated players they are not likely to all be scum. Scum will work together in more subtle ways.

Posting this as friendly feedback on your efforts, btw, not primarily to defend myself.

[waterbat]

Ask what you want. I thought it was why I posted the message about bigger, which I answered.

@qgqqqqq I was just giving you some crap. Much better

As for the advocating using the vig shot on me, not sure that would be the wisest decision. Certainly more dangerous characters to hit by now? Also I never get killed at night even when I'm nearly 100% sure I'm going to be.