WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Ryan]

Should I honestly stop posting ? It's like they are being skipped . Q didn't even notice I responded to his quote.

[zakalwe]

@Zak: first paragraph referenced questions that came up when I also asserted that bigger's post seemed suspicious to me.

Ok, about this. Here's the last post Bigger made before the lynch:

Sigh. I don't really get out Tasunke wiggled out of this, he is the clear best choice :/.

If Tasunke won't hang, then I'll go with Rowain .

I didn't think this post in itself was suspicious, and I don't know if anyone else did. It was the fact that he never switched his vote back to Tasunke that was suspicious. At least that's what I found suspicious, and that's what I figured Rowain meant with his eyeroll. But it sounds like you are saying that you rolled your eyes at the time that you were reading that post. Correct?

[novice]

Should I honestly stop posting ? It's like they are being skipped . Q didn't even notice I responded to his quote.

I'm reading everything that's posted, keep posting.

[Mattimeo]

I was thinking that the night developments didn't necessarily clear novice, since getting the scum with the card to pass it to whoever novice said he was passing to seemed the best thing for a scum-novice to do. Then I recalled seeing something from BRick along the lines of scum being unable to pass items to people they were attempting to kill. Don't have a source for that - no time to go looking at the moment - and it might have only been applicable to the lockpick, but if someone finds it, it'd pretty much confirm novice as town (if we assume Serdoa is being truthful about possessing a vest that got shot).

Mattimeo hasn't done much so far, and he supported Bigger as mayor back here:

Gee, thanks for using arguments it's actually possible to defend against, there...

[novice]

I was thinking that the night developments didn't necessarily clear novice, since getting the scum with the card to pass it to whoever novice said he was passing to seemed the best thing for a scum-novice to do. Then I recalled seeing something from BRick along the lines of scum being unable to pass items to people they were attempting to kill. Don't have a source for that - no time to go looking at the moment - and it might have only been applicable to the lockpick, but if someone finds it, it'd pretty much confirm novice as town (if we assume Serdoa is being truthful about possessing a vest that got shot).

Yeah that's true, I was going to bring that up if my pass target was killed. I failed to realize it would apply to failed kills as well.
That's protown of you to bring up. So Serdoa is almost-confirmed, and if he's town then I'm confirmed.

Scum foregoing a night kill is possible, but unlikely. But it could be a gambit to get all the town power roles to pass their items to him. I think scum are unlikely to start with the vest though - lynchproof scum is quite powerful.

[novice]

Brick, could you clear up the contradictions here? I think you changed Item Passes to go last in the order of operations? How does that impact rule 4? I guess it's moot?

Sorry about that, overlooked when I changed the order of operations. I've fixed it now to reflect the new order.

Also, what happens to an item that is passed to a player that was killed that night? Is the item destroyed or does it stay with the person attempting to pass the item?

I'm going to make the ruling that items passed to a player that is killed that night will be lost/destroyed, but Snitches or the person holding the Hold-Out Pistol may not pass items to the target of their night kill. This will be added to the item rulelist.

Here it is.

[zakalwe]

Mattimeo hasn't done much so far, and he supported Bigger as mayor back here:

Gee, thanks for using arguments it's actually possible to defend against, there...

Sorry about that. Here's something more concrete. Why did you want Bigger as mayor?

[uberfish]

Good job Serdoa. I think bigger's scum flip implicates tasunke as his partner:

Sigh. I don't really get out Tasunke wiggled out of this, he is the clear best choice :/.

If Tasunke won't hang, then I'll go with Rowain

(This is posted about 7 hours before deadline and he proceeds to lurk out the day)

note that:

- Bigger was active lurking waiting to see which way things would swing in the middle of the day. This points towards a scum as one of the 3 leading wagons at that point. (rowain 5 - tasunke 4 - novice 3)

- Although bigger started off attacking Tasunke, when he was active lurking in the middle of the day he said nothing at all about Tasunke. This makes more sense if he's scum trying to avoid actively drawing more heat onto his partner.

- If tasunke and rowain were both village, Bigger could just have made some further comments attacking Tasunke, parked his vote on Tasunke, and avoided any blame for Rowain's mislynch.

- Concerning tasunke's early vote on bigger: he votes bigger for lurking in exactly one post, and does not mention him at all subsequently despite the fact that he is still lurking (calling out Azza and Waterbat for lurking during night phase instead.) This vote actually makes it MORE likely that he is scum with bigger, and not less.

Also this post is suspicious as hell.

Fairly. Certain I won't get vig killed wink

But simply saying that might get me night killed by ze wolves :X


Anyways, totally unrelated, can we agree on either azza or water at to get shot tonight?

[novice]

Very good, Uberfish.

Tasunke, I think you should claim in full now. The sooner the better.

[uberfish]

To expand further on that: Tasunke's soft claiming that he's either the vig or the bulletproof. Bulletproof is accounted for and he's clearly not the vig because he didn't shoot either of the people he wanted to be killed. This means that he's probably just lying.