WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[novice]

Why did you highlight this during the night phase?

Inflicting WIFOM on scum is quite an enjoyable activity, so I will often engage in such activity when an easy opportunity presents itself.

And even so you criticize the people pushing Tasunke because he had claimed to have an item?

Mattimeo

[zakalwe]

Why did you highlight this during the night phase?

Inflicting WIFOM on scum is quite an enjoyable activity, so I will often engage in such activity when an easy opportunity presents itself.

Also, if I just post shit as I see it, I get less emotionally invested in the game, and I'm less likely to sink into incoherent rage when I inevitably get unjustly lynched.

Cross-posted with this. I don't buy it.

[Serdoa]

Add in the fact that your scumbuddy Zak throws the "Three M's" out there and A) casts more aspersions on MJW (but doesn't vote there because he's already pretty town leaning) then B) throws out you his token scum just in case he or you are caught cover either way, and C) Mero his mislynch target.

A) Why is MJW town-leaning? Honestly, explain that Lewwyn. Because he shot a villager? Because he took the chance to kill our vig for no real gain whatsoever? That he did shoot a liar does not make the shooting any better. You seem to judge him on the outcome and not on the action. Thats imo a bad stance to take.

B) So you assume that Mattimeo is zakalwes scumbuddy? Does seem a little bit forced Lewwyn, more like you have decided both are scum and search now for a way to put them together.

C) You are certain that Mero is village? Why? Again, that seems like you assume something based on deciding that zak and Mattimeo are scum, without having any proof. Isn't that a little bit dangerous?

[Mattimeo]

Its the bunny.

Damn, and here I thought it was the fact I have a werewolf as my avatar

And the long post earlier where you went through a bunch of suspects and listed a couple thoughts on each that were not really telling about your position on anyone. Example:

Ryan... while killing him off would make the game significanly easier (and shorter) to read, I don't know that he's doing anything particularly scum-favoured. Unless he's actually completely sane and is just emulating Tasunke for cover tongue

Didn't particularly like uberfish's initial arguments to get the Tasunke train rolling this morning, but they didn't seem excessively out of character, either. Hence why I went after someone who jumped on that wagon for parroting, rather than the initiator of it.

Here are two of your chosen people. Instead of actually telling me what you think about these people it feels like you are simply doing a play by play. Its like you are describing the situation instead of scum hunting. In particular the Uberfish one says you didn't like it but "then its not out of character so oh well". Its so noncommittal.

hm. Point.
Next time I'll leave out the people I have very little read on despite them having done something I consider notable, ain addition to those who I have a null read on 'cause I haven't seen much notable out of. Would that make you happier?

Add in the fact that your scumbuddy Zak throws the "Three M's" out there and A) casts more aspersions on MJW (but doesn't vote there because he's already pretty town leaning) then B) throws out you his token scum just in case he or you are caught cover either way, and C) Mero his mislynch target.

lol

[Serdoa]

I think it was Serdoa who mentioned he could just pretend he was unable to pass it on. But I don't think he can, unless I missed something. If he is innocent, there is no way he would be unable to pass it on. Even if he sends it to someone who is killed, the can will be destroyed and should presumably appear in the write-up. Meanwhile, by letting Waterbat live, we can still lynch him tomorrow, or maybe we're lucky and some information turns up that clears him.

You are right zak. I REALLY would like the rules on the frontpage to get updated. If waterbat passes his gas can to novice or me and we are killed it will be killed with us and should show up in the write-up. And he can't pass it to the one being night-killed if he himself is scum.

Hey waterbat, you can show us that you are villager if you pass the gas can to the nightkilled played. So passing it to novice or me is indeed looking like your best play. Either it will be destroyed but a confirmed villager will be substituted by another or a confirmed villager will be unkillable for the wolves.

[Mattimeo]

And even so you criticize the people pushing Tasunke because he had claimed to have an item?

Mattimeo

Well, yes. Lynching someone who has an item that seems town friendly (bomb, vig) is a terrible idea, and you should be lynched for attempting to do so.

Not entirely sure how that's equivalent to pointing out someone is hinting at possessing something that makes them unconcerned about the vig...

[novice]

Add in the fact that your scumbuddy Zak throws the "Three M's" out there and A) casts more aspersions on MJW (but doesn't vote there because he's already pretty town leaning) then B) throws out you his token scum just in case he or you are caught cover either way, and C) Mero his mislynch target.

A) Why is MJW town-leaning? Honestly, explain that Lewwyn. Because he shot a villager? Because he took the chance to kill our vig for no real gain whatsoever? That he did shoot a liar does not make the shooting any better. You seem to judge him on the outcome and not on the action. Thats imo a bad stance to take.

Good question. And by the way, if MJW is village he should also have considered the action risky. If he were wolf OTOH, he would know that he'd reveal a lying villager and that his action would probably be judged by its result and that Tasunke would be the recipient of the village's outrage.

So MJW, what's your justification?

[novice]

Mattimeo, I initially read this

zak:
I disliked the wagon on Tasunke, given he'd strongly hinted at having a powerful item the day before, and several people had pointed this out before the wagon got going (so it should have been public knowledge).

as you disliking the day 1 wagon on Tasunke. I see you're referring to the day 2 wagon though. How do you feel about the day 1 wagon then?

[Qgqqqqq]

So a while ago uberfish asked me to stop contributing on the activity and start contributing, and tbh I don't think I've ever made a case before. (I had a draft on AAAS last game but then he claimed).
Still I have some thoughts on Ryan that bare mentioning.
Firstly I think that the newbie feel is not a facade, but instead deliberately being excentuatrd by Ryan in an attempt to conform to this newbie in order to avoid suspicion with that naive feel which for me at least, gives a town read. Yet I'm left feeling that ithe way zak must've last game - giving a town read not not because if the actions but because of how he posts. Because I'm having to correct him clarify points and explain standard play. I'm left feeling like a teacher or experienced professional (slightly flattered and a bit protective - note just my thoughts even responding to Ryan).
However this is all conjecture but if another thing that feels scummy is his pushing outlets at any cost - not only is he clearly distinguishing himself from any such group, but he is also setting a precedent for his future cases, much of his points have been that his targets are lurking, which while bad play allows him a reason to gun for heaps of people and seperates. him from many if the mislynch targets.
Moreover, although uber has said the same of me, none of his cases has been original (apart from waterbat , and that was little more then a die lurker die vote until uberfish et al extended it)yet unlike me he has pushed strongly for them and sold them as such - in particular his selrahc cases when we were pursuing the azza/tasunke connection has a very self-righteous tone to it, full of why are you ignoring this case.
His lurking vendetta has also continued despite myself and others pointing out how outlets aren't all evil and vice versa.

I'm sorry if I've misrepresented you here Ryan, particularly your arguments which are easy to.miss.
I've also undoubtedly crossposted with a few (hundred).
All this said, Ryan is not my too suspect, but he is one I feel is flying under the radar a bit.
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[Qgqqqqq]

Can we get a vote count?