WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Serdoa]

It's pretty obvious that Tasunke was the one likely lying to everyone. It is pretty clear that Tasunke claimed to have a power-role and due to the night results, as novice said, he had to claim vig. He would have targeted waterbat or azza if he was truthful at all during the day-- not bigger. Only other plasible target was azza and although he is a bit scummy he cannot lose to tasunke. For this reason he would get lyched no matter what. He would not be able to pass on his item or do anything useful. The bottom line is that there was no risk for my actions as villager or wolf. Tasunke was dead as soon as azza claimed. I think anyone who does not see that is on major crack or is lying. There is novice, selrahc and lewwyn at the very least who would just dump their vote and go home. I don't think you could beat them without any real support.

Basically it all hindges on the idea Tasunke was screwed to be lyched anyway. It's so obvious that its hard for me to put it in words like saying why 1+1=2.

I don't vote you simply because you shot Tasunke. I vote you because your explanation when pressured used knowledge we villagers only gained after the shot. I vote you because despite that you tell us that both Tasunke and Azza felt scummy, you choose to shoot Tasunke. The shot would be fine (kinda), the explanations around are bad.

He did this yesterday as well, champion his targets all day, never missing a chance to ttack them - but when it comes to time to lynch , he jumps onto the candidate.

Onto which candidate? The one to get lynched? I don't understand.

Read his reasoning - first he uses it as a chance to attack selrahc (already mentally rehearsing his I told you so speech) then he blatantly ignores the actual discussion around the topic (he was convinced by serdoa. yet never offers anything further to the discussion, just restates. points others have made) and.then he talks about MJW. not defending - a wonderful argument to be sure, and one that no one can defend against.

"Not defending - a wonderul argument to be sure, and one that no one can defend against." - Um, well, I guess with defending you'd actually go a long way to defend against that particular argument.

In this way he a) makes sure he's on a target at lynchtime. b) avoids any responsibility for the lynch. and c) is seen as explaining himself without entering the discussion..

Is that not our job to be on a target at lynchtime? Or do you mean that he attacked all day a scum-buddy but changed shortly before deadline to lynch a villager? Wouldn't it make more sense to vote to lynch Selrahc in that case? I mean, if Selrahc is not scum, your whole argument falls apart and it seems there are quite a few people still voting him.

[MJW (ya that one)]

MJW: and what about your idea that Azza could actually have stolen Tasunke's item and been lying? You only brought that up AFTER your shot.

That's true that was caused by the fact that I forgot that the lockpick+gloves are left behind; if azza lied. If azza did steal the vig gun it would be very silly for him to lie. It would give up the vig gun which is strong in mafia's hands because they can pass it to eachother. It would also trade 1:1 with tasunke with best. And that makes no sense as azza was under no pressure.

Bascially, its random MJW spaz after I found out the surprising result that tasunke was a lying villager.

[Ryan]

@Serdoa His claims make absoultely no sense. Read the one before it that I responded to. It is a 100% different then what he just wrote. Dont yoy think thats wierd? He didnt even read a response to that claim and jumped to an entirely different one.


Continuationg of my rant vs Q : If I was against bloody Selhrac why was I the one to start the Selhrac lynch wagon today ? are you crazy?

Ya your keeping my vote.. man . Wtf ..

[Serdoa]

Serdoa, trying to understand why wolf-MJW wouldn't hold on to the item til the end. If he ever gets on the gallows he can just trigger it right before the end of the day, right? Uberfish, arent you supposed to be our item balance expert?)

My first reaction was what he did was pro-town because it seemed pretty clear Tasunke was getting lynched unless someone called Azza out as a liar. It seemed the same as giving us a second day.

What are your thoughts on zak-- independent of the MJW question.

I actually thought about that pindi. But again, wouldn't it be better to shoot now and get yourself confirmed town status? Thats the point that imo is the most important, get confirmed town status. With that, you can win nearly every game, see Azza in WW17 (I think it was 17). I guess you remember that one. The one were you fought the whole day to get the to lynch Azza and they still lynched you because he somehow had gotten nearly confirmed town status with an action no one could believe a scum would have done. Sounds familiar eh?

As for zak: I am missing something. But I have yet to decide if that is him simply being disengaged because Day1 was not that great and Day2 is running on its own or if that is because he is scum. Either seems possible.

[BRickAstley]

I'm letting you know now, I will be on campus at University when the deadline ends. I will be in a position to be online and do the end-of-day, but I have had problems with the on-campus internet flaking in and out, so it might be a bit late.

Also, I do not want people posting after the end of day deadline, regardless of whether I have made a post saying deadline yet or not. I will include in the rules that posts made between the end-of-day deadline and the lynch results are further not allowed.

[Ryan]

How about night posts Brick are they ok?

[MJW (ya that one)]

Serdoa, trying to understand why wolf-MJW wouldn't hold on to the item til the end. If he ever gets on the gallows he can just trigger it right before the end of the day, right? Uberfish, arent you supposed to be our item balance expert?)

My first reaction was what he did was pro-town because it seemed pretty clear Tasunke was getting lynched unless someone called Azza out as a liar. It seemed the same as giving us a second day.

What are your thoughts on zak-- independent of the MJW question.

I actually thought about that pindi. But again, wouldn't it be better to shoot now and get yourself confirmed town status? Thats the point that imo is the most important, get confirmed town status. With that, you can win nearly every game, see Azza in WW17 (I think it was 17). I guess you remember that one. The one were you fought the whole day to get the to lynch Azza and they still lynched you because he somehow had gotten nearly confirmed town status with an action no one could believe a scum would have done. Sounds familiar eh?

As for zak: I am missing something. But I have yet to decide if that is him simply being disengaged because Day1 was not that great and Day2 is running on its own or if that is because he is scum. Either seems possible.

There's no way that's confrimed town status as if I were a wolf I knew tasunke would flip innocent. If you gun down an innocent person you are not cleared at RB as its not a 1337 group.

[Serdoa]

@Ryan

Q has misread your post imo. He thinks you attacked MJW for not defending when you attacked Selrahc for it. And you delivered good reasons for attacking him imo. So I guess that is a misunderstanding. Get that clarified - calmly. Helps the village more than a screaming match between the two of you.

[Serdoa]

There's no way that's confrimed town status as if I were a wolf I knew tasunke would flip innocent. If you gun down an innocent person you are not cleared at RB as its not a 1337 group.

Yeah, right. Thats why apart from me no one even questioned you and when I did I get fire for going after you because players already had in their mind "Oh god, he is again derailing the thread with his crude theories" and didn't even consider you because they gave you a strong town-lean. With good play, which you are capable of, you would easily skate to the endgame.

[Ryan]

@Serdoa

Im keeping that vote on him until I understand where he was going with this. I wanna understand from him what caused the 180 degrees shift on his cases versus me. Why is he making cases , ignoring my responses and then making a completely different case. It might be just me being new to this game but it just feels heavily far fetched and just a despreate a chain of events to chain me. If he had the time to read my post vs Matt, He had the time to read my response to his case versus me.