WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Qgqqqqq]

Hmmm, that is a good point about who is not present. I could vote for Selrahc for that, but my target hasnt posted in a while either
@novice- its more of a gut feel. Not liking zak's hunting or tone

Double voter can pick anybody, right? Or does it have to be one of Mattimeo / Waterbat?

This is my understaning.

[BRickAstley]

Btw: I really think that change is not fair. If I would do meta-speculation, I would have to believe that it was done to give scum a leg-up after they got hurt so badly N1. And imo it is not part of the GM to change the rules WHILE playing, just because one side might be at a disadvantage. It is not his job to (re)balance the game while playing.

I can see why it might be better for game-balance (and I have not disputed it when he changed it the first time while we were playing) but I can't get the thought out of my head that the wolves just whined about how unfair it is that village can confirm itself quickly enough that they basically have kills locked in for them. What I would fully understand because it is not fun at all. Gah, yes, it certainly is better to keep it fun for all, but I hate taking a disadvantage. Give me a least a gas can, pretty please?

This was not changed for the benefit of the scum, they didn't ask me to change the rules, and i would not change rules for the purpose of keeping people crying unfair. The rule in question was brought up because it was not clear. I considered it hard, and realized that it was not effective or even right, as when I had delivered it for some reason I was still thinking about the alternate night order. So I changed it to what I felt was the best change at this time. That's all.

[MJW (ya that one)]

1. I must point out my posts are hard to understand and have logically flaws in them even as villager...look at older games. I have the hard time uncrossing the reailty of Tasunke being a lying villager vs. what I thought were the possibilties.
2. I'm not going to switch off Selrahc unless he shows up--expect to break ties or self defense. It just does not fit with his usual self. And he is one that supports me.
3. I'll be pissied if I get lyched over Selrahc or Mero-something and they fail to show up.

[Qgqqqqq]

Ryan: your not getting me lynched today, and I'm not getting you lynched.
We're distracting the issue at hand, and being generally unhelpful by focusing on each other.
I will rspond to your points tonight, but for now lets ignore each other and focus on the rest.
OKay?

[BRickAstley]

Official Lynch Vote Count

Selrahc - 3 - Merovech, Azza, MJW
zakalwe - 3 - pindicator, Lewwyn, uberfish
Azza - 3 - Mattimeo, waterbat
MJW - 2 - Serdoa, Qgqqqqq
Merovech - 2 - novice, zakalwe
Qgqqqqq - 1 - Ryan

Players not voting: Selrahc

1hour left

[uberfish]

MJW

Been going back and forth on him, but I think serdoa's slip case on him has a decent chance of being correct. The reason I've had trouble making up my mind on this is because it MIGHT be a villager leaping to conclusions, but his attitude towards azza is all over the place.

I can see a scum day vig being plausible if the village has a lot of power.

[Ryan]

Ryan: your not getting me lynched today, and I'm not getting you lynched.
We're distracting the issue at hand, and being generally unhelpful by focusing on each other.
I will rspond to your points tonight, but for now lets ignore each other and focus on the rest.
OKay?

The same move after every vote you made versus me. I am sorry I am not believing you. and here werent you using the fact that I voted Tasunke since I couldnt vote my target yesterday versus me? your being a hyporcrit on so many levels.

[pindicator]

Found it!

Serdoa, trying to understand why wolf-MJW wouldn't hold on to the item til the end. If he ever gets on the gallows he can just trigger it right before the end of the day, right? Uberfish, arent you supposed to be our item balance expert?)

My first reaction was what he did was pro-town because it seemed pretty clear Tasunke was getting lynched unless someone called Azza out as a liar. It seemed the same as giving us a second day.

What are your thoughts on zak-- independent of the MJW question.

I actually thought about that pindi. But again, wouldn't it be better to shoot now and get yourself confirmed town status? Thats the point that imo is the most important, get confirmed town status. With that, you can win nearly every game, see Azza in WW17 (I think it was 17). I guess you remember that one. The one were you fought the whole day to get the to lynch Azza and they still lynched you because he somehow had gotten nearly confirmed town status with an action no one could believe a scum would have done. Sounds familiar eh?

As for zak: I am missing something. But I have yet to decide if that is him simply being disengaged because Day1 was not that great and Day2 is running on its own or if that is because he is scum. Either seems possible.

Well, I didnt think Azza had town cred that game. Lewwyn just got wrapped up in the thought that i had duped him, not that Azza was untouchable.

I have a hard time seeing MJW's play as a good idea for gaining town cred. It's so needlessly risky- he had no heat on him at the time so why put himself into the limelight like that? So no, i dont think MJW is the right lynch, or even the second best lynch.

Time to place my last vote- lunch is over.

[Qgqqqqq]

Q :"I don't see a contradiction, you don't raise people but you latch onto other peoples arguments, and try to make them your own in this way, without actually mKING youir own arguments." Ya no proof while I am providing my own and your latching onto that theory. An attempt to lynch me four times in the same day. Q
and thats my final vote. No point arguign vs liers.

As the other is too long (hypocrisy I know).
I'll just quickly resond to this (and then I will not mention it again till night).
What proof?
If you mean I didn't go back and quote everything you said for the past two days (246 posts) then you are right.
As I am not bored enough to piss my time away doing that, I am instead summarizing what has happened. (and I did that about 10 times for the specific case)
I didn't see any proof until your last post, which I had not read at the time.
I have made ONE attempt to raise you as a lynchable candidate, which I have since dropped as it is unreasonable.
Just because I said it four times doesn't make it four times
(Unless you mean earlier, which was just testing your reactions to pressure).

Stop smearing me, its beneath you.
I don't think I've EVER lied in a game of werewolf.

[pindicator]

Damn i hate tgis phone.
Selrahc, for lurking during this whole kerfluffle and not adding anything when he's been top vote.