WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Azza]

@ überfish you do realize that we are three town for 1 mafia till now ? That the town deaths were lynches that were random ? We couldn't get you guys off Rowain day 1 , I am kicking my self for not voting Selrahc like I should have that day . You still want to have a lynch like that while we can have 2-3 confirmed town ? Seer doesn't have to reveal his target if he gave it to him . But yes he should reveal since he has nothing to lose also the first powerless Vigi now Should claim his role since again he has nothing to lose. Why are you so afraid of that like Zak ? You don't want confirmed towns ?

You are keeping my vote über . You influenced the two mislynches aswell.

Can you clarify what you mean by the bold pink text please?

[Serdoa]

I have thought some time about this whole claiming business. I think both should keep quiet. That forces the wolves to kill me. Cloak can visit me and make sure that we know who killed me. If cloak does not claim tomorrow, you know that he is wolf and that will at least get your rid of a claim in the endgame.

@Lewwyn

Regarding the question "Why would Azza do that?" I deliver the same reason as always: To get semi-confirmed villager-status.

When I used my powers in my last wolf-game I always asked myself "What would a villager do?" and "How would I explain this from a village standpoint?". It can make sense to make something anti-wolf as wolf, especially if I yields semi-confirmed villager-status. I didn't even cost him anything as I am certain he did really know that Tasunke lies. But that doesn't mean he is village, just because he told us.

[Lewwyn]

@Lewwyn

Regarding the question "Why would Azza do that?" I deliver the same reason as always: To get semi-confirmed villager-status.

When I used my powers in my last wolf-game I always asked myself "What would a villager do?" and "How would I explain this from a village standpoint?". It can make sense to make something anti-wolf as wolf, especially if I yields semi-confirmed villager-status. I didn't even cost him anything as I am certain he did really know that Tasunke lies. But that doesn't mean he is village, just because he told us.

Except it DIDN'T give him semi-confirmed villager status. I was willing to lynch him yesterday before I thought through it more, and I was NOT the only one. Was Azza on anyone's radar before that? Several people were actually giving him a villager lean before he claimed and outed Tas. Instead of making him seem more villagery it actually made him more suspicious in a lot people's eyes. The lockpicks have been naturally viewed as scummy. Why would scum want to reveal the picks simply to out a villager they KNOW is going to be outed anyway? Now everyone knows where to look if their item goes missing. The lockpicks become useless. It simply is not good scum play.

[Selrahc]

Azza's power use doesn't give me much of a lean. It makes sense for a villager, and it makes sense for a wolf:

As a villager, Azza has attempted to stop somebody from shooting him, and he has revealed somebody who was lying in thread.

Since the person who was lying was a villager, both of those actions make complete sense as a wolf.

So whichever faction he is, he would have a logical reason to do the things we know he has done.

Based on his general play apart from that? I think he could well be a wolf.

I have thought some time about this whole claiming business. I think both should keep quiet. That forces the wolves to kill me. Cloak can visit me and make sure that we know who killed me. If cloak does not claim tomorrow, you know that he is wolf and that will at least get your rid of a claim in the endgame.

I 100% agree with this.

[Lewwyn]

Azza's power use doesn't give me much of a lean. It makes sense for a villager, and it makes sense for a wolf:

As a villager, Azza has attempted to stop somebody from shooting him, and he has revealed somebody who was lying in thread.

Since the person who was lying was a villager, both of those actions make complete sense as a wolf.

So whichever faction he is, he would have a logical reason to do the things we know he has done.

Based on his general play apart from that? I think he could well be a wolf.

I have thought some time about this whole claiming business. I think both should keep quiet. That forces the wolves to kill me. Cloak can visit me and make sure that we know who killed me. If cloak does not claim tomorrow, you know that he is wolf and that will at least get your rid of a claim in the endgame.

I 100% agree with this.

Useless. All this post has done is say Azza's claim a null tell and that "he could well be a wolf". What does that mean? That doesn't say whether YOU think he's a wolf or not! It's a smear. And a distancing at the same time.

Oh and throw in a quote agreeing with Serdoa while your at it. Bingo. You're saying nothing, discrediting anything that might be construed villagery about Azza's claim, and then insinuating he might be scum without actually pointing to any single instance where you actually think he's scummy.

We got a real winner here.

[Lewwyn]

Listen village just lynch one of Selrahc or Zak today. I don't think that's too much to ask.

[Serdoa]

Um, Lewwyn... he states "I think he could well be a wolf". And you are upset now because he doesn't tell us what he thinks about Azza. Look back at that sentence. He thinks that Azza could be a wolf. Thats what he thinks. And the reason he gives for that is the rest of Azzas play, as the lockpick-reveal could be going either way.

I'm actually considering voting for Selrahc today. But I don't see what at that specific post was so bad.

[Lewwyn]

Um, Lewwyn... he states "I think he could well be a wolf". And you are upset now because he doesn't tell us what he thinks about Azza. Look back at that sentence. He thinks that Azza could be a wolf. Thats what he thinks. And the reason he gives for that is the rest of Azzas play, as the lockpick-reveal could be going either way.

Could well be a wolf. That is so noncommittal. He's not saying "I think he's a wolf". He's saying he may or may not be.

[Lewwyn]

Serdoa. It's slimy. The statement is just throwing up every red flag.

[Serdoa]

Selrahc

For now that is a good place, even though I don't completely agree with you Lewwyn.