WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Ryan]

selrahc I nearly forgot about you . The rest can wait. You dodged a day and now your talking once the topic is no longer about you ?


@Azza I wanted to lynch Selrahc day 1 but changes my vote to Tasunke to try and save Rowain . Several people did this not only me . 2nd day again I wanted to vote him but the general agreement was Merovech which I was wrong to follow . Note day 1 überfish defended Sel and voted Rowain . 2nd day he changed the topic to about Merovech instead of Selrahc. Überfish feels scummy to me the way he's influencing our votes and I'm keeping my eye on him .


And btw @Zak I wasn't asking you that so that you tell wait till Serdoa posted his opinions and then you tell me that's your answer by stating his . Nice try man but no I don't like the way you dodged that by saying Serdoa said etc . He posted that after my question by quite the time why are you dodging questions ? Only able to use other people's words to escape ?


I don't agree about that Vigi and seer not revealing feels like a waste of time espically when it will help us hunt scum instead of meta which has done nothing those past days . I disagree completely about them waiting since the only people that gain from that are scum.

[zakalwe]

I think you`re scum and i don`t have anything to hide, your case is basless and you are lazy.

Ok, I admit it. I laughed. As for this:

Also you are deflecting. Framing the argument. Classic.

That is just smearing, and you should know it.

You did make me go and reread your posts. Perhaps my main gripe with your play, when I boil it down, is that you want to lynch me. You have some turns of phrase that strike me as scummy, but it's impossible to substantiate. I didn't like the "it's good to be back in the saddle" act, but you have largely kept that up, so maybe that's how you really feel. Or maybe you just enjoy playing scum and are tapping into that. It would probably be a bit harder to maintain the enthusiasm after Bigger's death, though.

I also don't like how you kicked off day 2 by assuming Tasunke to be innocent and building off that. Seems like you expected an irrefutable claim from him and were already working the angles. Then you immediately jumped on Waterbat after Tasunke's claim, which wasn't logical, as I have noted earlier. It all seems a bit prescient, but what you couldn't predict or expect was that Tasunke's claim would actually be counterclaimed. (Unless Azza is scum, too.)

I think the second paragraph there contains the best objective reasons for suspecting you.

[zakalwe]

And btw @Zak I wasn't asking you that so that you tell wait till Serdoa posted his opinions and then you tell me that's your answer by stating his . Nice try man but no I don't like the way you dodged that by saying Serdoa said etc . He posted that after my question by quite the time why are you dodging questions ? Only able to use other people's words to escape ?

My original post didn't make sense because I forgot about the rule that you have to pass items after using them. I am not leaning on Serdoa or anyone else to explain that post, it was just a bit of faulty reasoning on my part.

That said, while I was sleeping, Serdoa and Uberfish brought up good points on why the seer/vig possibly shouldn't claim. So the conclusion remains the same, if we spend the day waiting for that we could be wasting our time.

I also don't think scum would be afraid of the seer/vig claiming now. That's probably what they'd prefer, so they would know who remains unconfirmed and can start working the angles. As long as the seer remains unclaimed, they also have to worry about the scenario where he's sitting on a guilty result, and how they might implicate their scum buddies if they say anything at all. That's why I agree it's suspicious that Selrahc is STILL clammed up. But I disagree with your impatience to hear those claims.

[uberfish]

@ überfish you do realize that we are three town for 1 mafia till now ? That the town deaths were lynches that were random ? We couldn't get you guys off Rowain day 1 , I am kicking my self for not voting Selrahc like I should have that day . You still want to have a lynch like that while we can have 2-3 confirmed town ? Seer doesn't have to reveal his target if he gave it to him . But yes he should reveal since he has nothing to lose also the first powerless Vigi now Should claim his role since again he has nothing to lose. Why are you so afraid of that like Zak ? You don't want confirmed towns ?

Day 1 wasn't random. Day 2 was random because we had 5 people on 2-3 votes going into the end of day and no one was able to make a really strong case on any of them.

About confirming people: the answer is that if we confirm people who aren't under suspicion immediately, it tells scum whom to kill. If the confirmable people don't reveal unless they have to, it's more likely that scum will kill someone who wasn't confirmable during the night and eliminate a potential suspect for us.

[Ryan]

Zak I love how you aren't trying to disprove his claims . You are attacking his charachter with I think your scum . Your showing a lot of scum tells the way your posting . Using other people's votes to answer questions and actually waiting for a post to answer with and ignoring them until you can . Responding with "I like your claims better " to pindicator is a ) trying to get friendly with pindicator so he agrees with you and b) trying to disprove lew c) dodging questions left and right with posts that I believe don't make sense and don't contribute . " yours posts make me laugh , the way your playing ..." Stop dodging is lew to hard to answer or you can't make up enough lies to respond to him fast enough ? Are his arguments to good that you had to ignore them and attack him instead of his words ? Scum having a hard time ?

[Ryan]

Again I disagree . If the Vigi and the seer reveal we get confirmed town , less people to doubt . Scum will gain nothing from killing compared to killing any non power role . While the scum will gain , a) if seer doesn't reveal and he does we will lose his information and the second seer who could be scum won't use the item for town and the scum will have more players to throw accusations at . Serdoa was confirmed due to no one contesting his vest. Again with this reasoning the scum will gain more and we will still be random voting with a higher scum influence since we are 2 town less since yesterday . Plz reveal so you make it easier to hint scum with proof rather going only based on posts and meta which hasn't worked for 2 days . Scum will gain more if you are quiet.

[uberfish]

@ryan #1341: Seriously? If you want to vote Selrahc, then vote him. His wagon was viable until the end of day 2. Lynching someone else, then blaming other players for saving Selrahc after the fact when YOUR vote could have gotten him lynched is hypocritical. If you weren't otherwise a town read, I would probably have voted you for that.

[Selrahc]

Again I disagree . If the Vigi and the seer reveal we get confirmed town , less people to doubt . Scum will gain nothing from killing compared to killing any non power role . While the scum will gain , a) if seer doesn't reveal and he does we will lose his information and the second seer who could be scum won't use the item for town and the scum will have more players to throw accusations at . Serdoa was confirmed due to no one contesting his vest. Again with this reasoning the scum will gain more and we will still be random voting with a higher scum influence since we are 2 town less since yesterday . Plz reveal so you make it easier to hint scum with proof rather going only based on posts and meta which hasn't worked for 2 days . Scum will gain more if you are quiet.

Serdoa gave an incredibly good reason why the cleared should not reveal. The Cloak.

Serdoa is the only realistic target for Scum night kills, right up until all those other cleared people show up and give them a choice of targets. At the moment, the Scum have the choice of killing a cleared villager and getting caught by the cloak, or avoiding the cleared villager, and possibly hitting an uncleared(which would be great for us). If they choose to go after Serdoa, we can be reasonably sure that they don't fear the cloak and so will have gained valuable info.

If one of the cleared people are under threat of lynch, then they should reveal. Until then, doing so is an active detriment to the village.

[Ryan]

A ) your expecting the clock to be town .
B) now they know that and they won't go for him.

Why are you expecting the clock to be town ? If the cloak is scum that entire plan is worthless .


P,S pretty active Sal I guess it's ok since you aren't being talked about.

[Ryan]

A ) your expecting the clock to be town .
B) now they know that and they won't go for him.

Why are you expecting the clock to be town ? If the cloak is scum that entire plan is worthless .


P,S pretty active Sal I guess it's ok since you aren't being talked about.

Selrhac * not sal my bad