WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Lewwyn]

And yes I'd probably give my life to end Zak's at this point.

[Lewwyn]

@lewwyn - im trying to be resolute with my azza suspicions - why are you undermining that? you would have sealed the deal with a "CAHOOTS" instead of a "How you like me". just looking a little though --- on D1, zak included me and Azza in his post "if we are going to policy lynch someone, i prefer Azza or waterbat". *IF* zak is scum searching for easy targets, I believe he would have jumped on and innocent Azza after the lockpick claim and tasunke's murder. The way i read it, if zak is scum, adds to the likelihood azza is a snitch-mate.

So you're not going to vote Zak?

Your whole post is just confusing me.

[Azza]

selrahc I nearly forgot about you . The rest can wait. You dodged a day and now your talking once the topic is no longer about you ?


@Azza I wanted to lynch Selrahc day 1 but changes my vote to Tasunke to try and save Rowain . Several people did this not only me . 2nd day again I wanted to vote him but the general agreement was Merovech which I was wrong to follow . Note day 1 überfish defended Sel and voted Rowain . 2nd day he changed the topic to about Merovech instead of Selrahc. Überfish feels scummy to me the way he's influencing our votes and I'm keeping my eye on him .

Let me put myself in your shoes for a moment, I'm trying to figure out what you're doing and why you're doing it.

If I'm you and I believe Selrahc is scum, what would I do? I'd state that I want to lynch him, I'd vote for him, and here's the critical part, I'd keep my vote on him. I would not switch my vote to someone else to save someone whose alignment was unknown unless there was absolutely no interest in the case on Selrahc (which wasn't the case). I defintely wouldn't go with "the general agreement" to vote for someone else when the vote ends in a tie between someone else and Selrahc.

However, if you're scum, then we can see something that looks extremely shady going on here. Either you know Selrahc is innocent, and as a result you're avoiding voting for him so you can try and prolong the attacks on an innocent Selrahc, creating a distraction from the true targets.
Alternatively, you're scum buddies with Selrahc, so by attacking your known scumbuddy hard, you get big village cred when he flips scum. This is the most likely explanation for your lack of votes on him, as you would want to keep him alive as long as possible, but at the same time you want the benefits of attacking him.

I think you've slipped up here, Ryan.

[Ryan]

Official Lynch Vote Count


Rowain - 7 - uberfish, novice, pindicator, Tasunke, Selrahc, Qgqqqqq, Bigger
Tasunke - 6 - zakalwe, Mattimeo, Ryan, Azza, Serdoa, MJW
Selrahc - 3 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Merovech
zakalwe - 1 - waterbat

Players not voting: None

Official Mayor Vote Count

Serdoa - 7 - Serdoa, waterbat, MJW, Ryan, Azza, Rowain, Merovech
novice - 6 - Qgqqqqq, novice, Mattimeo, zakalwe, Bigger, Tasunk
Lewwyn - 1 - pindicator

Players not voting: Lewwyn, Selrahc, uberfish

Official Lynch Vote Count


Rowain - 7 - uberfish, novice, pindicator, Tasunke, Selrahc, Qgqqqqq, Bigger
Tasunke - 6 - zakalwe, Mattimeo, Ryan, Azza, Serdoa, MJW
Selrahc - 3 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Merovech
zakalwe - 1 - waterbat

Players not voting: None

Official Mayor Vote Count

Serdoa - 7 - Serdoa, waterbat, MJW, Ryan, Azza, Rowain, Merovech
novice - 6 - Qgqqqqq, novice, Mattimeo, zakalwe, Bigger, Tasunk
Lewwyn - 1 - pindicator

Players not voting: Lewwyn, pSelrahc, uberfish


Official Lynch Vote Count


Rowain - 7 - uberfish, novice, pindicator, Tasunke, Selrahc, Qgqqqqq, Bigger
Tasunke - 6 - zakalwe, Mattimeo, Ryan, Azza, Serdoa, MJW
Selrahc - 3 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Merovech
zakalwe - 1 - waterbat

Players not voting: None

Official Mayor Vote Count

Serdoa - 7 - Serdoa, waterbat, MJW, Ryan, Azza, Rowain, Merovech
novice - 6 - Qgqqqqq, novice, Mattimeo, zakalwe, Bigger, Tasunk
Lewwyn - 1 - pindicator

Players not voting: Lewwyn, Selrahc, uberfish





Day 1 votes where's the interest in Selrahc that your claiming to be . We needed one vote to save Rowain . Serdoa wanted Selrahc and voted Merovech in consolidation to überfish . Why are you accusing him ?

Azza that claim you did is wrong on the facts , reasons ? You can use those reasons for several people . MJW voted Tasunke to save Rowain aswell . Please make up good lies next time . Oh and make sure what your saying isn't wrong

[Ryan]

selrahc I nearly forgot about you . The rest can wait. You dodged a day and now your talking once the topic is no longer about you ?


@Azza I wanted to lynch Selrahc day 1 but changes my vote to Tasunke to try and save Rowain . Several people did this not only me . 2nd day again I wanted to vote him but the general agreement was Merovech which I was wrong to follow . Note day 1 überfish defended Sel and voted Rowain . 2nd day he changed the topic to about Merovech instead of Selrahc. Überfish feels scummy to me the way he's influencing our votes and I'm keeping my eye on him .

Let me put myself in your shoes for a moment, I'm trying to figure out what you're doing and why you're doing it.

If I'm you and I believe Selrahc is scum, what would I do? I'd state that I want to lynch him, I'd vote for him, and here's the critical part, I'd keep my vote on him. I would not switch my vote to someone else to save someone whose alignment was unknown unless there was absolutely no interest in the case on Selrahc (which wasn't the case). I defintely wouldn't go with "the general agreement" to vote for someone else when the vote ends in a tie between someone else and Selrahc.

However, if you're scum, then we can see something that looks extremely shady going on here. Either you know Selrahc is innocent, and as a result you're avoiding voting for him so you can try and prolong the attacks on an innocent Selrahc, creating a distraction from the true targets.
Alternatively, you're scum buddies with Selrahc, so by attacking your known scumbuddy hard, you get big village cred when he flips scum. This is the most likely explanation for your lack of votes on him, as you would want to keep him alive as long as possible, but at the same time you want the benefits of attacking him.

I think you've slipped up here, Ryan.

Read what he wrote in bold and the day 1 votes.

[pindicator]

Zak,
Now you like my argument? That's funny because the next argument I was going to make was what Lewwyn said about you taking only the easy targets. Except he phrased it better, so I'm glad I held off. I will add to what he put in today though:

I have yet to see you really stick your neck out and campaign against one person. Even today, when I gave you every reason to vote for me, you still can't do it: you start the day suspecting Azza, then you vote me, and now you're on Lewwyn. But you never really campaign for any person. It's like every vote or suspicion has to be tossed out there and pass a public opinion test before you can really decide if it's worth sticking your neck out to pursue. It reminds me a lot of how scum novice acted the first time I played WW - and how I didn't catch on to it then because it is pretty slick maneuvering if you haven't seen it in action before.


@uberfish- Why do you keep saying day 2 was random and give no effort at all to look for possible motives? That does not seem like you are even trying, just that you are trying to dismiss.

[pindicator]

To add uber, I would expect a villager to at least want to defend his own actions, but you don't even have that reaction.

[Azza]

<snip>
Day 1 votes where's the interest in Selrahc that your claiming to be . We needed one vote to save Rowain . Serdoa wanted Selrahc and voted Merovech in consolidation to überfish . Why are you accusing him ?

Azza that claim you did is wrong on the facts , reasons ? You can use those reasons for several people . MJW voted Tasunke to save Rowain aswell . Please make up good lies next time . Oh and make sure what your saying isn't wrong

Yes, the day finished with Selrahc falling behind to a clear 3rd. He was a clear 2nd with about half an hour left to deadline, it was a serious momentum shift. You were part of that momentum shift.

[Azza]

Ryan, just to refresh your memory of day 1, Tasunke and Selrahc were 4-4 when you switch to Tasunke, making it 5-3.

You're caught in a web of lies, and you're trying to lie your way out of it.

[Ryan]

@azza firstly your not responding to the fact that there was more than 1 person who changed to Save Rowain . I changed vote the moment I saw Rowain ahead to make it a tie and several others did . Your last post that was about 4-4 . Again Rowain was 5 so I voted Tasunke to get him to 5 . You are just repeating the same point that has the same answer while taking them out of context. Read the post I wrote when I changed vote " I won't let you lynch Rowain "