WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Ryan]

Your scared that your gonna get lynched and trying to lie about me nice try

[Azza]

@azza firstly your not responding to the fact that there was more than 1 person who changed to Save Rowain . I changed vote the moment I saw Rowain ahead to make it a tie and several others did . Your last post that was about 4-4 . Again Rowain was 5 so I voted Tasunke to get him to 5 . You are just repeating the same point that has the same answer while taking them out of context. Read the post I wrote when I changed vote " I won't let you lynch Rowain "

Rowain had 8 votes at the time you switched to Tasunke, and you said your switch to Tasunke "didn't matter" because Rowain had 8 votes. Come on, do you think I'm too lazy to verify what I'm calling you out on? You've been caught red handed.

[Selrahc]

The one thing that really makes me trepidatious about Ryan is his "PM to Bigger". That's exactly the kind of meta-gambit I can see a scum team trying. Particularly since I don't think it even resulted in a mod warning to Ryan.

[Serdoa]

If I'm you and I believe Selrahc is scum, what would I do? I'd state that I want to lynch him, I'd vote for him, and here's the critical part, I'd keep my vote on him. I would not switch my vote to someone else to save someone whose alignment was unknown unless there was absolutely no interest in the case on Selrahc (which wasn't the case). I defintely wouldn't go with "the general agreement" to vote for someone else when the vote ends in a tie between someone else and Selrahc.

The vote never ended in a tie between someone else and Selrahc. In fact, it was way more than two hours before the lynch that it was clear that Selrahc would not get lynched, due to the players being on him vs the players being on Rowain. I even stated as much, much earlier in this thread.

However, if you're scum, then we can see something that looks extremely shady going on here. Either you know Selrahc is innocent, and as a result you're avoiding voting for him so you can try and prolong the attacks on an innocent Selrahc, creating a distraction from the true targets.

Azza, sorry, but that is the dumbest explanation I've ever heard. And yes, I do use the word dumb here. Scum on D1 is voting an innocent and switching to another innocent, with a third innocent getting voted for as well, so he can prolong the attack on an innocent? Really, thats your explanation? Thats not even dumb, thats bullshit.

Alternatively, you're scum buddies with Selrahc, so by attacking your known scumbuddy hard, you get big village cred when he flips scum. This is the most likely explanation for your lack of votes on him, as you would want to keep him alive as long as possible, but at the same time you want the benefits of attacking him.

I could actually see that (scum using the switches that got initiated also by me because I wanted to save Rowain, being certain he was innocent, to move off his scum-buddy). But why are you not voting Selrahc in that case Azza? As I stated above, your other explanation makes no sense. Your whole case bases on those two being scumbuddys, otherwise it makes NO sense at all.

So, answer me that please, why are you not voting Selrahc instead?

[waterbat]

@Lew: sorry for not being clear. I like your case ( with indicators ) on Zak. I just still REALLY want to resolve Azza's alignment too.

Having been the innocent target of a Zak crusade, I also find it telling that no such crusade has materialized.

Re: gas can. It only matters if you plan to night kill him. Did someone slip you the gun or are you snitch?

I guess its OK to say I passed it, but to someone who will remain nameless for now.



(That last question a joke!)

[Ryan]

Official Lynch Vote Count

Rowain - 5 - uberfish, novice, pindicator, Tasunke, Selrahc
Selrahc - 4 - Serdoa, Rowain, Ryan, Lewwyn
Tasunke - 4 - MJW, Bigger, zakalwe, Mattimeo
Serdoa - 1 - Qgqqqqq
novice - 1 - Azza
uberfish - 1 - Merovech
zakalwe - 1 - waterbat

Players not voting: None

Official Mayor Vote Count

novice - 5 - Qgqqqqq, novice, Mattimeo, zakalwe, Bigger
Rowain - 3 - Azza, Ryan, Rowain
Serdoa - 3 - Serdoa, waterbat, MJW
Bigger - 1 - Merovech
Lewwyn - 1 - pindicator
MJW - 1 - Tasunke

Players not voting: Lewwyn, Selrahc, uberfish

2 Hours Remaining

You talked about this tally then you switched to the other which il talk about later. Firstly I responded with this the post under it.

Just to summarize my reason for voting Rowain: He said we should lynch me even if I'm a villager. And I don't believe him when he says he believes that I'm scum. So in other words he wants to lynch a villager.

He's never argued why I'm scum either, only why my play could be scum. And he's never argued why it's more likely to be scum play than village play.

Tasunke Not letting Rowain get lynched. You do realize that I made the argument before him? why didnt you jump me like you did him? Why only him? why are you trying to lynch him. I am not convinced by your reason.

Thats where I switched my vote and stated why.

Nothing on uberfish... I'll stand by my earlier words: Selrahc

Ryan, any chance of getting you to switch back if Tasunke doesn't explain his claim?

I only voted for him in an attempt to even votes with Rowain. Dont want him lynched ... Might aswell vote for the guy I fought against so long. But thanks a lot Novice . I appreciate your help and holding my back Selrahc

And I forgot about this I swithced back to Selrahc since we got a chance to vote him.

But then this happened.

Official Lynch Vote Count

Rowain - 8 - uberfish, novice, pindicator, Tasunke, Selrahc, Qgqqqqq, zakalwe, Bigger
Selrahc - 4 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Merovech, Ryan
Tasunke - 4 - Mattimeo, Azza, MJW, Serdoa
zakalwe - 1 - waterbat

Players not voting: None

Official Mayor Vote Count

Serdoa - 7 - Serdoa, waterbat, MJW, Ryan, Merovech, Azza, Rowain
novice - 5 - Qgqqqqq, novice, Mattimeo, zakalwe, Bigger
Lewwyn - 1 - pindicator
MJW - 1 - Tasunke

Players not voting: Lewwyn, Selrahc, uberfish

53 Minutes Remaining

They left Selrhac and went for Tasunke right before the dead line. Which gave sel less votes since people went to tasunke and I followed. And then ZAk followed. and Yes It said it didnt matter because the votes were 8 - 4 -4 People swtiched to tasunke for some damn reason . I followed to help increase the votes and they kept increasing but Rowain didnt vote for tasunke which he would have survived if he did. Azza You are taking posts and tallys out of context mixed them up. They are all infront of your eyes right now. Every change . Web of lies? are you having fun making up this stuff?

[Ryan]

The one thing that really makes me trepidatious about Ryan is his "PM to Bigger". That's exactly the kind of meta-gambit I can see a scum team trying. Particularly since I don't think it even resulted in a mod warning to Ryan.

Because the mod knows that I wanted to suicide and I send it to him a couple of times thorughout day 1 and day 2. You can ask him. I know I am not allowed to link messasges from my inbox or I think thats not the rule. If you think I am lying ask him and I will link those messasges

[uberfish]

@uberfish- Why do you keep saying day 2 was random and give no effort at all to look for possible motives? That does not seem like you are even trying, just that you are trying to dismiss.

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To add uber, I would expect a villager to at least want to defend his own actions, but you don't even have that reaction.

So I say it's random once, ryan attacks me on it so I have to explain it, and that's "keeping saying day 2 was random". Right. Anyway I don't believe that searching for tactical scum moves in that consolidation is likely to be accurate until we actually know whom from the group of (zakalwe, selrahc, azza, MJW) who were the 4 other candidates is guilty.

Also: if you think I am dismissing things wouldn't that also be defending my own actions? What exactly am I being accused of here?

[Azza]

If I'm you and I believe Selrahc is scum, what would I do? I'd state that I want to lynch him, I'd vote for him, and here's the critical part, I'd keep my vote on him. I would not switch my vote to someone else to save someone whose alignment was unknown unless there was absolutely no interest in the case on Selrahc (which wasn't the case). I defintely wouldn't go with "the general agreement" to vote for someone else when the vote ends in a tie between someone else and Selrahc.

The vote never ended in a tie between someone else and Selrahc. In fact, it was way more than two hours before the lynch that it was clear that Selrahc would not get lynched, due to the players being on him vs the players being on Rowain. I even stated as much, much earlier in this thread.

Ok, what about day 2? Ryan believes that Selrahc is scum. Why did he leave his vote on Merovech for the day to end in a tie? Tasunke was no chance of getting lynched up until about 20 minutes before the deadline, and if Rowain had voted to save himself would've ended up lynched instead.

However, if you're scum, then we can see something that looks extremely shady going on here. Either you know Selrahc is innocent, and as a result you're avoiding voting for him so you can try and prolong the attacks on an innocent Selrahc, creating a distraction from the true targets.

Azza, sorry, but that is the dumbest explanation I've ever heard. And yes, I do use the word dumb here. Scum on D1 is voting an innocent and switching to another innocent, with a third innocent getting voted for as well, so he can prolong the attack on an innocent? Really, thats your explanation? Thats not even dumb, thats bullshit.

This more applies to day 2 than day 1. As I just said, he let Selrahc off the hook, the day ended in a tie.

Alternatively, you're scum buddies with Selrahc, so by attacking your known scumbuddy hard, you get big village cred when he flips scum. This is the most likely explanation for your lack of votes on him, as you would want to keep him alive as long as possible, but at the same time you want the benefits of attacking him.

I could actually see that (scum using the switches that got initiated also by me because I wanted to save Rowain, being certain he was innocent, to move off his scum-buddy). But why are you not voting Selrahc in that case Azza? As I stated above, your other explanation makes no sense. Your whole case bases on those two being scumbuddys, otherwise it makes NO sense at all.

So, answer me that please, why are you not voting Selrahc instead?

I'm happy to vote Selrahc instead, but I'd rather vote Ryan because I think he's the stronger case, and I hate having to read through 200 posts when I wake up. I feel Ryan has made a scumslip, while Selrahc has only been kinda shady with his general lack of a case.

[Ryan]

Guys are you able to see how Azza is making stuff up? Sel jumped on the Ryan wagon the second Azza tried to start it.