WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[MJW (ya that one)]

If the game somehow goes on after today I only have one thought. If you have the gas can and there is any chance you could get vigged you should claim after tonight is over. If the vig hits you the town loses a lych. Don't be a gas-canner!

[uberfish]

full claiming now. I'm the item seer (crowbar.) I started with it and don't have any other items. I've been using it to try and catch people lying:

night 1: tasunke, no result (I scanned him under suspicion of lying and so attacked him day 2 for it)
night 2: zakalwe, no result (general suspicion. This didn't prove anything yet since he hadn't claimed and Selrahc's behaviour on day 3 was scummy so I decided to hold this until day 4 and force him to claim then)
night 3: lewwyn, gun (suspicion due to his questioning of waterbat about the bomb's whereabouts at night and trying to direct PRs)

I didn't want zak (or anyone else) shot night 3 because my intention was to force a claim from zakalwe on day 4 and lynch more accurately with the available information and the consequences of a bad shot were severe

Anyway, lewwyn's unlikely to have shot his own partner (not impossible as a crazy gambit, but if he was scum his position seemed strong enough without needing to resort to that) and his querying of waterbat is understandable given that he himself was the gun holder

this leaves the following players.

Waterbat (started with bomb)
Mattimeo (started with double vote; hasn't really done anything with it)
Azza (started with thief)
MJW (started with mystery box day vig; shot tasunke)
Q (started with parchment; posted a whole lot in the first 2 days but disappeared for the third)

Scum had the jailer; I don't think giving them 2 out of 3 anti nightkill items by giving the bomb as well makes much sense - besides it would be pretty lame if the vigilante was randomly screwed by shooting a scum bomb. looking at waterbat's actual play, he's been resolutely attacking Azza for the past 2 days, but also appears to be putting some actual thought into other players and their connections to his suspect and I don't read this as scummy

Mattimeo. Extremely passive play... hard to get a read on him either way because of this. Bad voting record, but well so's mine. I do have a slight town read due to Zak's behaviour concerning him; Zak votes Mattimeo d2 on an "I agree with what Lewwyn said" basis, and generally this sort of statement from scum indicates a desire to pass off responsibility for the lynch if it happens.

Q: I didn't find any scum tells in his large heap of posts from d1/d2, that's one town tell. I'm not sure to what extent Lewwyn/Q communicated but if Lewwyn fed Q info that scum then didn't act on, that's another town tell.

MJW: He was the guy on Zakalwe's notorious "3M" suspect list that didn't seem to be there for any particular reason, which could well be distancing (in fact, zakalwe didn't even vote him.) Also: tried to cast suspicion on Ryan for faking the PM and tried to encourage people to claim during night 3. The shooting of Tasunke, imo, is something he would have done both as town and scum. on the other hand, he was on Selrahc pretty consistently from day 1 which works slightly in his favour.

Azza's another candidate for the last scum. That "come at me scum" nightpost in context of the argument I was having with Lewwyn and Pind just looks fake - I mean azza is someone who doesn't believe in posting unless he has something to say and he shows up to say that? And I can see Azza and Selrahc deciding to attack each other when they're both under suspicion for lurking in an attempt to give the survivor some town cred - neither of them says much about the other until day 2 when they're both under pressure. And item thief is a role that goes well with the scum watcher.


I think our last scum is azza or MJW, leaning towards Azza

[Lewwyn]

...snip...

Nothing I haven't heard before.

I wasn't directing power roles either. I was specifically telling Pindi who I was going to shoot so we wouldn't overlap vig and seer targets like we did N1.

I was hoping you'd kill me last night over pindi since my kill would go through even if I died. Must have scanned pindi N2 when he received the board.

[Azza]

Azza's another candidate for the last scum. That "come at me scum" nightpost in context of the argument I was having with Lewwyn and Pind just looks fake - I mean azza is someone who doesn't believe in posting unless he has something to say and he shows up to say that? And I can see Azza and Selrahc deciding to attack each other when they're both under suspicion for lurking in an attempt to give the survivor some town cred - neither of them says much about the other until day 2 when they're both under pressure. And item thief is a role that goes well with the scum watcher.


I think our last scum is azza or MJW, leaning towards Azza

I wasn't entirely sober when I made that post last night.

[waterbat]

but passes happen last, so the scan would be invalid, right?

im glad the board is dead though - as i would scan as snitch at the moment. which is weird.

Serdoa - care to explain?

[Azza]

but passes happen last, so the scan would be invalid, right?

im glad the board is dead though - as i would scan as snitch at the moment. which is weird.

Serdoa - care to explain?

So, you're saying that the fool card was passed to you last night?

[Lewwyn]

but passes happen last, so the scan would be invalid, right?

im glad the board is dead though - as i would scan as snitch at the moment. which is weird.

Serdoa - care to explain?

So, you're saying that the fool card was passed to you last night?

This makes sense. And I wouldn't worry about it. I actually wish you hadn't brought it up waterbat, makes you suspicious.

[waterbat]

i thought about that lewwyn - but Serdoa was saying that he was still going to come back and lynch me - he didnt know the board was going to die - so why pass me the lynch card ? so when the scanner scanned me again he could do another "i told you so on day 1?"

[Lewwyn]

i thought about that lewwyn - but Serdoa was saying that he was still going to come back and lynch me - he didnt know the board was going to die - so why pass me the lynch card ? so when the scanner scanned me again he could do another "i told you so on day 1?"

I think uber will have already figured this out now that you've told us you have the fool card so I don't think there is harm in telling you.

The question is not why did Serdoa pass the card. The question is why did he have to. He received another item night 2 so was forced to pass one of them tonight. What item do we not know where it is? The gascan. Serdoa received the gascan and then had to pass the card. He didn't want to tell anyone so he sent it to you hoping you'd realize that it was in exchange for the gascan since that was originally your item. So now if Uber is not the last snitch (highly unlikely IMO) you've given away that serdoa can't be nightkilled without ending the game. So either you're not thinking things through (likely) or you are scum looking to give a reason why the scum know they should not hit Serdoa.

But I think its all moot since Uber is likely the last scum.

[waterbat]

Well. I find it more than convenient that if forced to pass, he passed it to the person he was trying to frame as scum earlier.

I didmnt think through the multi-day consequences. Curious why you believe scum would want to publicly announce that they know not to kill serdoa.