WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Serdoa]

If he had the ballot on his team, why does be care about claiming in case he's got an item?
Why not just claim truthfully?
Also if you honestly thought that BRick would alter the result for the team, then well

I don't understand this post. Which ballot? What item should he have claimed? When should who have claimed truthfully?

And why should BRick not alter the result according to team? Wouldn't be the first GM to make that error.

[BRickAstley]

@Brick Can you confirm whether a watcher can see who gives an item randomly at night? IE: if someone gives an item to a person who is nightkilled, you made a rule that that item is then passed randomly, the watcher will not see anyone visit and give that randomly place item correct?

Since the random item distribution was not an active pass and not delivered by someone personally, that will not be seen by the watcher.

[uberfish]

If he had the ballot on his team, why does be care about claiming in case he's got an item?
Why not just claim truthfully?
Also if you honestly thought that BRick would alter the result for the team, then well

I'm saying that the wording indicates that either:

1) Azza as scum embellished the result to make it clear that Tasunke was definitively lying and the jailer could not have interfered, in order to ensure Tasunke's lynch.

2) Brick made a mistake when he posted the night results in the scum thread and did give him "you found nothing to steal".

I don't see why, when brick PMed the night results out to town, he would give the item-seer "no result" and the thief "you found nothing to steal."


@serdoa re: waterbat

My opinion is that Waterbat trying to mislynch you makes little sense as a scum strategy.

1) If Waterbat wanted to get someone mislynched today, he had much safer targets than to go after yourself, since you were practically confirmed town. He could follow lewwyn on me, call a lurker out, or just lurk himself since hey there's some other players lurking too.

2) If he deliberately passed the card to you as scum in order to gain your trust, why then turn around and attack you. Scum doesn't need to kill you to win; all he needs to do is to be in endgame with non-confirmed town and get them lynched instead.

Also, my ability can't catch someone in the process of passing items. I can only tell if they had an item at the beginning of the night phase. I don't track people so there is no way to distinguish between a randomly and deliberately passed item.

However, yes, stating that Novice was 100% the nightkill target is definitely weird, and a possible insider knowledge tell. I have a theory as to why town Waterbat might have done it but I want to hear his own explanation first.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I don't think it is in Selrhac's and Zak's style to give up the gas-can like that. They would have waterbat give that gas-can to zak and lie when under pressure, saying that he passed it to novice and it is in someone hands--but really passing it to zak.. So I'm pretty sure waterbat is not a wolf. If you don't want uberfish to just eat the lych you will have to come up with something special, Serdoa. Because I'm pretty sure waterbat is not scum I'll dump my vote on some random lurker.

Azza Because he is the only lurker under attack. [/color]

[MJW (ya that one)]

Lets see if Brick can solve this.

Brick, was it always a rule that if you cannot scan/take an item because thier is no item; that you PM "no result" and nothing else?

Uberfish, I don't trust Brick to do things properly so if Brick does not answer that really does not mean much. For example he confrimed ryan was villager by admiting not knowing about the PMs in the thread. (If Ryan was a wolf Brick would know because he would read what Ryan was doing in the wolf quicktopic). Zak attacked azza pretty bad to.

[uberfish]

Zak attacked azza pretty bad to.

No, he did not. Go search zak's posts on the scraper for "azza". He asks Azza questions but his actual stance on Azza is very soft.

[Serdoa]

@serdoa re: waterbat

My opinion is that Waterbat trying to mislynch you makes little sense as a scum strategy.

1) If Waterbat wanted to get someone mislynched today, he had much safer targets than to go after yourself, since you were practically confirmed town. He could follow lewwyn on me, call a lurker out, or just lurk himself since hey there's some other players lurking too.

If he needs to lynch me, realising that I have indeed the can, I am the only target to go after. If he waits till tomorrow, he would have to answer the question why he didn't tell it today.

2) If he deliberately passed the card to you as scum in order to gain your trust, why then turn around and attack you. Scum doesn't need to kill you to win; all he needs to do is to be in endgame with non-confirmed town and get them lynched instead.

The card? We talk about the can. And he did NOT deliberately pass it to me.

Also, my ability can't catch someone in the process of passing items. I can only tell if they had an item at the beginning of the night phase. I don't track people so there is no way to distinguish between a randomly and deliberately passed item.

My point is that he had to pass his item to someone, because if he had kept it to himself, it was likely that the item seer would scan him the next night, when he would have been called out by me in the thread.

However, yes, stating that Novice was 100% the nightkill target is definitely weird, and a possible insider knowledge tell. I have a theory as to why town Waterbat might have done it but I want to hear his own explanation first.

Trust me, I also would love to hear his explanation. But it seems after stating that, he decided to go and lurk.

But I have to confess to one point that MJW brought up: He could have passed it to zak and stated it was passed randomly to him. We had no way to know that with the watcher being scum. And I can't see any reason why he should not do that this way. Certainly makes more sense than to pass the item to novice for real and not knowing who received it. Still does not explain why he thinks it makes sense to tell scum now or why he attacked me.

[Serdoa]

And with that

Azza

Not sure to be absolutely honest, but with no one else claiming vig, Lewwyn is cleared. MJW does act like his usual self. waterbats gas-can stunt makes no sense due to what MJW posted (even though I still don't like what he did and want an explanation).

Leaves Matt, Azza, Q and uberfish. And of those four, my scum list would be

Azza
Matt
Q
uberfish

[Qgqqqqq]

If he had the ballot on his team, why does be care about claiming in case he's got an item?
Why not just claim truthfully?
Also if you honestly thought that BRick would alter the result for the team, then well

I don't understand this post. Which ballot? What item should he have claimed? When should who have claimed truthfully?

And why should BRick not alter the result according to team? Wouldn't be the first GM to make that error.

Autocorrected jailor->ballot
My point is that with the jailor on his team, he knows that it wasm't interfered with (Tasunke is not going to have an item no matter what) - if Azza got the result "No Result" what possible reason is there for changing that?

[uberfish]

2) If he deliberately passed the card to you as scum in order to gain your trust, why then turn around and attack you. Scum doesn't need to kill you to win; all he needs to do is to be in endgame with non-confirmed town and get them lynched instead.

The card? We talk about the can. And he did NOT deliberately pass it to me.

Sorry, I meant can. If waterbat was scum, he wouldn't have passed the item to you randomly - it would have been part of a strategy. You're right that he had to pass the can, but whomever he passed it to, it would have been done on purpose; because town can't tell the difference between a random pass and a deliberate one. no reason to pass the can to a confirmed town unless it's a ploy to gain trust.