January 14th, 2013, 08:29
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Maybe point out there isn't really anything important in the centre of the map. So there's nothing to be locked out of, per se. We could prioritize settling it so they'd get a permanent marble gift on-line soonish. Maybe promise them marble from T115? That should be doable. Or even sooner. BM could go straight on to another settler, if that's what it takes. Throw in a fast worker or something if they need something to sweeten the deal.
Let's just close this deal before we finish the MoM. 
If you know what I mean.
January 14th, 2013, 08:43
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Yeah. We could make it more intresting for them definately. However I think we're better of waiting a day or 2 to their response before bringing anything new to the barganing table.
January 14th, 2013, 09:09
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Chat with HAK. Guessed right that he hadn't taken into account N-S wrap. I've a feeling that there might be unpassable or hard to pass ocean somewhere. Otherwise we would have seen circumnavigation already taken by the Vikings.
Main question for you. Is NAP until T160 ok? We migh be better of without a detailed border deal. Their expansion rate is pretty weak and they're more intrested in solidifying their borders towards closest neighbors.
Quote:me: hi
HAK: Heya. I'm at work now and can chat finally. Was getting ready & then driving when your other chats came through.
me: ok np
HAK: btw, congrats on the Great Library. That's always a biggie that helps whatever Civ gets it. :P
me: thx - It was a high priority goal for us
HAK: and on the Great Wall. I kept meaning to grab it (we could have beaten anyone to it), but other things kept coming up.
me: GW isn't that great. It was available so we just decided to build it.
So our NAP is ending on T110 so I'm mainly here to check, if we should prolong it
other thing to discuss is border deal concerning the center of the map and archipelago
HAK: Ah yes, I def want to prolong our NAP.
me: Do you've any preference concerning length of it?
HAK: Not at this exact moment. I'll post it in our forum to see if THH has any opinions. And I'll also think about it as well.
But we should probably easily be able to extend to at least like T150 or so, I'm thinking?
me: That would work yes
HAK: I'd even be up for something longer than that if you wanted.
me: I need to discuss with team too, but T150-160 is probably ok
We could suggest T160
both of our teams
HAK: sounds good to me. I'll post such on our forum and you do so in yours, and we'll communicate later with regards to that and the map center stuffs.
I haven't spent much time examining the center of the map much yet
me: There is nothing to spcial there. Land quality is the same as everywhere else
HAK: you are also much closer to settling the center than us. We still have a lot of backfill to do and shoring up our borders with Gillette & Pirates.
you are more of a a diagonal neighbor, so not much of an issue there
me: yeah I think we'll have much more borer in the sea
our scouting is a bit lacking there. Have you found anything intresting yet? You might get Circumnavigation soon
HAK: yeah, I'm hoping for the Circumnav. It'll all come down to how big the little island is to the east of TEAM. If it doesn't reach far enough across the ocean, then we won't be able to reach our visibility from the other side.
the only other thing we've seen is just a glimpse of that island to your south. didn't go around it, since wanted to rush further east first.
me: That island doesn't seem to have anything special just oasis and wheat
you've N-S wrpa handled already?
*wrap
HAK: sounds similar to an island near our cities. we also have a small island that has an oasis and some form of food on it.
No, haven't gotten N-S wrap.
Too much water that way still, I think.
me: hmm. You need both wraps to get circumnavigation
HAK: really?
me: yeah. Is there an ocean area that prevents passage?
Would hate to see Vikings get this benefit
4 move galleys and later very mobile Galleons and other stuf
HAK: will have to look again later. But I know we got our scout to walk to the furthest point north that we can get to (north of Pirates).
January 16th, 2013, 10:33
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We've confirmed NAP until T160 with 3M.
January 17th, 2013, 05:42
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Chat with Old Harry (Gillette):
Quote:me: hi
Gillette: Hi plako, hows it going
me: ok
Just checking, if you've had time to dicuss with your team
Gillette: I keep getting notifications you've said hi on my phone about five hours afterwards - sorry about that
me: np
Gillette: We've discussed a bit, still going through the possibilities
Do you need the marble or would you be willing to gift it on a permanent basis?
me: We can gift it "permanently" meaning as long as we've a NAP deal running
Gillette: Okay, that should make things easier
I'll get a consensus with the guys and come back to you (hopefully) tomorrow.
me: That would be great. We've 1 desicion that is affected by the border deal so it would be great to get things sorted out before we had to play
Gillette: Okay, will try to get back to you before that.
Cheers
me: thx- No hurry it is not our turn yet and we can use our full timer
Have you considered NAP duration?
I would like to suggest that also to my team
So we would be ready to accept when you're
Gillette: How long would you like?
me: Not big issue maybe T140?
Gillette: Sounds about what we thought, we'll try and work out where we'll be by then...
me: So the deal to present our teams is - new border deal, NAP until T140, marble gift
Gillette: One other thing, you mentioned settling on the marble - that would be problematic as you'd take the sheep from Halbard, if you can settle east or north of the marble that solves that problem.
Yep, I think that's the deal
me: That could work too. Do you've access to 2nd furs?
If you could gift that to us smae way as marble
I think we could settle e.g. 1E of it
Gillette: I don't think we've got 1st furs, we have two deer...
me: Do you think you can get access to 2 of them?
We'll have deer of our own
TEAM stole the furs on the other borderand you're getting the one here
So I'm looking here possibilities
Gillette: I'll have to check in game (in about 10 hours) but I'm pretty sure we haven't got fur (yet).
me: Well you've one near the city you're planting now SE from your cvapital
There almost certainly is one bwtween you and M3
not sure, if you can claim it or not
Gillette: I'll have to check the M3 border but I don't remember seeing one there. Yeah, there will be one on the peninsula, I'll check in-game and let you know...
I've just dug out a screenshot - there aren't any furs between us and M3 (unless they are much closer to them and we haven't uncovered them yet). Sorry...
me: ok
Gillette: So are you butting heads with TEAM on that border?
me: TEAM has settled pretty much all cities towards us. Pirate border is almost empty
Gillette: That's pretty smart given how weak Pirates are.
Looks like both TEAM and M3 get a weak neighbour bonus in this game...
me: Yeah and us being Creative makes it more important to solidiy the border towards us
Gillette: Yeah, we thought the same, but decided doing it with honest border agreements would make for less tension later in the game.
me: This is typical for these diplo on games. As long as there is still land to settle best play is probably build in peace
Gillette: Have you got a NAP with TEAM?
me: yes
Do you?
Gillette: We haven't had any more from them on email since they said Jihad about 4 months ago...
Do you mind my asking how long the NAP is?
me: I rather not say it at least without consulting with my team. At least you don't share border with them 
Gillette: np
me: I'm thinking the marble city 1E of current location. If you could somehow sweeten the deal I think we could move. What about offering furs for 10Timmediately you've got it improved
Gillette: I think Lewwyn isn't a fan of diplo
me: He is very slow at least in this game - I've tried to adapt to that
Gillette: I don't think the guys will go for that, but I'll ask
me: It would be just 10T and then yours
Gillette: Got to go, will try to get back to you tomorrow...
me: Keeping Sheep safely on your side
ok - cya
January 17th, 2013, 05:45
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You drive a hard bargain. I like it. 
If you know what I mean.
January 17th, 2013, 05:48
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I think the TEAM NAP expires on T145? So maybe T140 with Gillette is slightly awkward. Though I don't see it as an issue, really. I don't really think we'll pull so far ahead of TEAM that they'll want to war us then. I think we're pretty even in economic strength.
If you know what I mean.
January 17th, 2013, 05:53
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(January 17th, 2013, 05:48)zakalwe Wrote: I think the TEAM NAP expires on T145? So maybe T140 with Gillette is slightly awkward. Though I don't see it as an issue, really. I don't really think we'll pull so far ahead of TEAM that they'll want to war us then. I think we're pretty even in economic strength.
5T is a long time at that point of a game. I don't see this as a big issue.
January 17th, 2013, 05:57
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I think a city 1E of the marble in exchange for us not settling an ivory city is a good deal too, I'd be willing to go for that without further compensation.
I have to run.
January 17th, 2013, 06:00
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(January 17th, 2013, 05:57)novice Wrote: I think a city 1E of the marble in exchange for us not settling an ivory city is a good deal too, I'd be willing to go for that without further compensation.
I agree. And considering their plan for the marble might be MoM for all we know, we should make sure to close the deal before that.
If you know what I mean.
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