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Chatting with HAK. I had earlier sent the one-liner telling them about our plans to sign NAP with Gillette so that is what he is referring to in the beginning. Looks a lot like no circumnavigation pre-Optics. Caravels might be worth rushing to see if there are separate islands with some unique resources.

Quote:me: hi

HAK: Heya. Yes I got your message this morning .

me: ok good - just checking

HAK: Just curious, have your team talked at all about future war prospects? Basically who your first target might eventually be? Gillette or TEAM?

me: Not really. There is quite a bit of land to expand to

HAK: I know we all want war to be long time from now, but curios where your thoughts might be.
Ok.

me: Both are possible. btw. can you get through the archipelago E-W direction?
or is it too early to tell

HAK: What do you mean by archipelago? I'm not sure what area you are referring to.
Do you mean the island to the east of TEAM? Or something else?

me: Just in general is there ocean preventing movement or can you get through

HAK: ah, gotcha. Yeah, still too early to tell.
Our galley is only just about to reach the island to the east of TEAM. I've already confirmed that we can't traverse with galley's westward from our side of the continent.
so we know it can't cross. I'm just hoping it can get close enough to cut through the visibility across the ocean.
I have a feeling that the world-wrap is fully cut off by ocean, and no one is going to get Circumnavigate until after Galleon's are reached.
I mean Sailing.

me: Optics is enough enabling Caravels

HAK: yeah, that's what I meant originally. As I was typing it, I had forgotten about caravels, since my brain was on galleys.
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How about we do a straight swap of city sites with Gillette, but ask for a buddhist missionary in BM as a sweetener? (I picked BM because it can quickly spread it further.)

Or do we still want to hold out for a religion of our own?
If you know what I mean.
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This would work too although I would much rather spread Hinduism unless Gillette is indicating they are planning to build Apostolic Palace.
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The other teams are falling behind so I'd say it's likely the AP gets built either by Gillette or TEAM.

TEAM has no religion yet but I'm guessing they will beat us to Code of Laws.
If you know what I mean.
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It will be bad for war weariness though, if we end up fighting them later. Correct?
If you know what I mean.
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I don't think religion has anything to do with war weariness. I found this list from demogame:

(December 8th, 2012, 14:19)NobleHelium Wrote: This is before percentage reduction by culture.

Eh it looks like mh's summaries weren't quite right. This should be correct:

Your unit attacks their unit = +3 if you lose, +2 if you win
Their unit attacks your unit = +2 if you lose, +1 if you win
You capture a unit = +1
Your unit is captured = +2
You capture a city = +6
You launch a nuke = +12 (WW regardless of culture)
You are hit with a nuke =+3 (WW regardless of culture... this is for all players hit by the nuke)
Each turn = -1
Each turn = -1% (additionally during peace)

Not quite sure how culture reduction works. Typically you get way less Weariness, if you're fighting on your own territory.
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It's not technically war weariness, but you do have the "we refuse to fight our brothers of the faith" happiness penalty.
I have to run.
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Got this. Good enough to me so I can go on and play our turn. Shewagdon Paya or SoZ to marble city II wink.

Quote:We're happy with the agreement that plako and I thrashed out over our grueling chat negotiation yesterday wink

Just to confirm:
- Our NAP will last to turn 140
- We are happy for you to settle 1e of the marble
- We will settle 1sw of the Elephant (FYI we will also be settling on the hills that we mentioned during the last NAP negotiations.)
- You will gift us marble for the duration of this NAP and any subsequent NAP
- We will gift you our first duplicate happy resource for 10 turns.

Just so you know we're planning to settle on the hill your chariot is on (about five tiles north west of your gold city) in two turns and 1sw of the elephant in about 6 turns.
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I logged into the game this evening and there was the diplo screen up with a chat message from HitAnyKey:




I've just closed the screen without saying anything, coz I couldn't think of anything particularly to say.
...wounding her only makes her more dangerous! nono -- haphazard1
It's More Fun to be Jack of All Trades than Master of One.
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Logged in to offer OB to Pirates. 3M had finished Temple of Artemis.
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