WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[uberfish]

My take is that if Mattimeo is scum, he'd look bad whether he lynched myself or waterbat. Since his reasoning for voting me in the first place was really bad and I'd called him on it. more later, got to run

[Mattimeo]

I shoot in the night + nightkill to 1-1 (with me having double-vote and scum getting gas can on a 50:50 coinflip).

...except that, using the hold-out pistol selects that as the one item you wish to keep that night, meaning you have to pass everything else, including the double vote.

My take is that if Mattimeo is scum, he'd look bad whether he lynched myself or waterbat. Since his reasoning for voting me in the first place was really bad and I'd called him on it.

Yeah, I'd definitely be displaying such fine logic as

- scum?
- scum

to base my vote on, were I scum myself, where sheeping and echoing Lewwyn could have done the job fine.


I'd say Azza, but we do kinda need him to get a shot off tonight. Well, optimal play is obvoiusly to have scum think Azza is passing, so they'll take their shot (presumably at Azza to prevent the passing), while Azza hits someone else to take us down to 2-1, but that really depends on whether scum wants to cause all the remaining deaths to be capable of targetting them or not...

MJW's double vote I see less use for, but if people insist on not lynching him today because of whatever optimal scenarios they've constructed then I suppose I'll have to go along with lynching Qgqqqqq or uberfish. Preferably uberfish.

[Serdoa]

I shoot in the night + nightkill to 1-1 (with me having double-vote and scum getting gas can on a 50:50 coinflip).

...except that, using the hold-out pistol selects that as the one item you wish to keep that night, meaning you have to pass everything else, including the double vote.

My understanding is that the pistol is used up, meaning I have only the can and the vote. And of course I pass the vote on. So, at the start of the night I would have 3 items, at the end 1. Thats fine imo according to the rules.

My take is that if Mattimeo is scum, he'd look bad whether he lynched myself or waterbat. Since his reasoning for voting me in the first place was really bad and I'd called him on it.

Yeah, I'd definitely be displaying such fine logic as

- scum?
- scum

to base my vote on, were I scum myself, where sheeping and echoing Lewwyn could have done the job fine.

I'd say Azza, but we do kinda need him to get a shot off tonight. Well, optimal play is obvoiusly to have scum think Azza is passing, so they'll take their shot (presumably at Azza to prevent the passing), while Azza hits someone else to take us down to 2-1, but that really depends on whether scum wants to cause all the remaining deaths to be capable of targetting them or not...

I really would love if you guys could actually stop only basing all your thinking on the items to keep and not at all on who is scum. Even a 2-1 endgame can be lost, especially if no one was hunting scum before and therefore it is impossible to distinguish between the choices.

MJW's double vote I see less use for, but if people insist on not lynching him today because of whatever optimal scenarios they've constructed then I suppose I'll have to go along with lynching Qgqqqqq or uberfish. Preferably uberfish.

Can't point the finger at anything, but I don't like this sentence.

[Serdoa]

Mattimeo, on re-reading the rules, you could actually be right. It states that if you have more than one item you have to choose one to keep, which you than also are allowed to use. I think the situation at hand was not really thought about, but anyhow, your understanding makes sense.

So, Azza definitely should shoot, meaning if he doesn't die, than he is scum (because obviously scum want a 3-1 endgame not a 2-1). But now that I posted this, he might let Azza live for a 2-1 endgame in which Azza would be certainly lynched because he is not dead. Funny.

Anyhow. I have still not made my mind up.

[uberfish]

My take is that if Mattimeo is scum, he'd look bad whether he lynched myself or waterbat. Since his reasoning for voting me in the first place was really bad and I'd called him on it.

Yeah, I'd definitely be displaying such fine logic as

- scum?
- scum

to base my vote on, were I scum myself, where sheeping and echoing Lewwyn could have done the job fine.

Yeah well, and what did you do next? Switch to Waterbat by sheeping and echoing Serdoa. So that's a pretty bad argument.

If you're scum you then pass the doublevote off to MJW expecting him to attack me with it on the next day and get the blame...

And why is Q even a person you would want to lynch now when he was the least likely person on your list yesterday?

[uberfish]

Mattimeo, on re-reading the rules, you could actually be right. It states that if you have more than one item you have to choose one to keep, which you than also are allowed to use. I think the situation at hand was not really thought about, but anyhow, your understanding makes sense.

Well, if you have 2 or 3 items on night 5 it doesn't matter. If you have the gun you pass the other two, the game's over the same night and the other two items are irrelevant. If you don't have the gun but have the double vote, you can pass the bomb and keep doublevote for day 6 when the game will be over.

Anyway in my last post I point out why mattimeo's play would make some sense as scum, and I think Mattimeo and Azza are both more likely to flip scum than MJW. (If we lynch Azza and turn out to be wrong, we can force scum to kill MJW if they want the double vote out of your hands anyway.)

Unless you think Azza is really cleared because of what zak said in which case You do realise that zak never even voted Azza, and while he did ask Azza questions he never really pushed him on them, and he also questioned people attacking Azza.

[BRickAstley]

Official Lynch Vote Count

Mattimeo - 2 - Azza, uberfish
Azza - 1 - Qgqqqqq
MJW - 1 - Mattimeo
uberfish - 1 - MJW

Players not voting: Serdoa

3 Hours Remaining

[MJW (ya that one)]

Uberfish, your post defending yourself is okay. Yay...

I'm willing to pass the wooden arm to anyone people so I won't disrupt a plan.

I think mattimeo's reading of the rules is correct. It's pretty obvious that uberfish should use the crowbar on azza at night even though it probably won't help.

The lych canidates today are me, mattimeo and azza. I know I'm not guilty and I think mattimeo is worse than azza. Plus that gun might prove useful.

Mattimeo

[MJW (ya that one)]

double-post again.

[Serdoa]

Uberfish, your post defending yourself is okay. Yay...

I'm willing to pass the wooden arm to anyone people so I won't disrupt a plan.

I think mattimeo's reading of the rules is correct. It's pretty obvious that uberfish should use the crowbar on azza at night even though it probably won't help.

The lych canidates today are me, mattimeo and azza. I know I'm not guilty and I think mattimeo is worse than azza. Plus that gun might prove useful.

Mattimeo

MJW

Before you changed your vote, uberfish had 2 (you have the double-vote, despite it not being shown on the vote-count right now). He was therefore tied with Mattimeo. With your switch you made certain that only Mattimeo would be lynched - a clear self-preservance vote.