Niccolò Machiavelli's Thread

[plako]

Pirates accepted OB.

[zakalwe]

Maybe send a friendly note to TEAM that they can have the marble starting on their turn 109 if they wish, so they can prepare for that. Btw, did M3 build ToA without marble?

[plako]

I sent one liner to Lewwyn concerning Marble.

I didn't check 3M marble last turn. Few turns back they didn't have it.

[zakalwe]

Slight meta game failure that we didn't anticipate the ToA build. We could have had some failgold.

[plako]

3M does not have marble. At least they're Industrious and built it on Coastal city (SeaWorld) so long term it will be decent investment.

[plako]

We're now brothers in faith with M3 . Missionary coming in ~7T. Sorry for acting without team approval, but decided to see, if they would be willing to assist in spreading their shrined religion.

me: hi

HAK: Heya.
been awhile since we've chatted.

me: yeah - nothing much going on

HAK: there is one thing I've been meaning to mention to you if I see you online....not sure if you can see or not....but Gillette is currently researching Civil Service. (right now accumulating gold, so don't know how many turns til they get it)
so something tells me they'll have Macemen soon

me: ok - good to know thx

HAK: The Pirates are getting Currency next turn.

me: MAchinery takes a while though

HAK: yeah, I figured that they most likely didn't have machinery yet. unless they're planning to use a great person for it

me: I think they haven't researched it yet.
We've been considering the religion to spread. WE've got spread from Hindu, Buddhism and Confu

HAK: wow, you got all sorts of religion. heh

me: Only Judaism missin at the moment
Maybe that will come too
But we need a religion and we'll take one of these

HAK: yeah, well that's in one of our cities that founded it...but we had chosen hindusim as the one to be our main one.

me: did you've shrined the Hindu?

HAK: yeah
hence why that one spread probably

me: Would you be willing to offer us a missionary, if we promise to spread it to at minimum 5 of our cities?

HAK: I've realized that we obviously didn't expand our cities fast enough....we're rapidly falling behind you, Gillette, & TEAM

me: That would net you 5 gold now and more after gold multipliers

HAK: yeah, I'll gladly toss you a Missionary for that as the exchange.
Actually, we just finished building a missionary last turn.

me: Would you be able to deliver it to us?
We'll build monastery soon so you'll get 2 more hindu cities then within next 10T
and later more

HAK: are missionary's 2-move units? or 1-move units?

me: Now you mention it can't remeber. Probably 2
I'll check it from CFC

HAK: If 2, then he should be able to reach your border in about 6-7 turns.
He's all the way in our west.

me: 2 move
6-7T would be ok
Where would it arrive?

HAK: east of our city PigPen
unless you want it to come from our city NE of that (ie. the center of the map)

me: btw. we're soon founding a city SE from your marble city. Should be fair distance from it, but probably soon the closest city between us. WE could build a connecting road there too

HAK: yeah, I kinda figured you would head to that area. I settled our city far enough from the exact center so that we could each get another city in there without overlapping much, if at all.

me: If I remeber correctly there aren't overlap and if there is it sin't much

HAK: so would you prefer I send it through there instead?

me: Yeah. That would be best. We might get even road pretty close there

HAK: should be about the same number of turns for him to get there.

me: Great - We'll build Hindu monastery then and start spreading

HAK: Right now we'll have to start getting ready to talk to Gillette about extending our NAP (which currently ends at 125).
I'm hoping they'll be up for it, and aren't planning on trying to attack us...I've noticed their Power jumping up pretty high.
If they do decide to attack, any chance you'd be interested in coming to our aide (ie. also fighting them) once your NAP with them ends? Just wanted to start throwing out some ideas.

me: Most of it is probably city garrisonsfor their big capital

HAK: oh right, forgot about that. Yeah, they would need a lot of units in there for that city

me: Just keep us informed concerning the negotiations. I suspect they want to build up in peace so my guess is that you'll get the NAP, but in case you don't we can discuss,

HAK: Ok, will let you know. It would be nice for us all to be able to build in peace for a good while longer.

[pling]

Nice chat I like how you made it look like we were gonna spread Hinduism to do them a favour not coz we'd decided to already

The research info from HAK is useful for C&D the next couple of turns And for editing my data for previous turns! I guess if HAK knows for sure that Gillette are stockpiling gold then M3 probly got Currency T107 (not Calendar like I guessed). And Gillette must have Code of Laws if they've got research set to Civil Service - so that must've been their T105 tech. Note that if Gillette are going for Macemen then actually they get Beserkers coz they're Vikings. My guess is Bureaucracy is more likely to be their goal.

I think Gillette have somewhere between 450 & 500 gold saved btw, and are making on the order of 60gpt. I looked earlier when counting cities, but didn't write the numbers down which is why they're vague and might be wrong

Pirates are the only team with research on, I think (0gpt in the diplo screen). I think TEAM have ~180 saved and are making ~90gpt.

[zakalwe]

Nice diplo work, Plako.

Good thing we're also researching while accumulating gold, or 90 gpt would be kind of scary.

[pling]

Nice diplo work, Plako.

Good thing we're also researching while accumulating gold, or 90 gpt would be kind of scary.

It's also possible I mis-remembered & I'm in the wrong OS to log back on & check at the moment

[plako]

I've seen also high numbers regularily for TEAM close to 90 lately. Only way to get those are bulding wealth and/or working merchants.