Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[kalin]

FWIW, wasn't the NAP worded something like: "as long as neither side does something obviously wrong etc."?

Kalin

[kjn]

FWIW, wasn't the NAP worded something like: "as long as neither side does something obviously wrong etc."?

That was the clause for an immediate break without the 10-turn cooldown, I believe. Call it the anti-civics-swap using espionage clause.

But it was never firmly nailed down into specifics.

[scooter]

Ok, I'm going to go ahead and interpret this as confirmation of the short-term NAP from a previous email:

1) 10 turns NAP is fine and we can also agree on the NAP cancellation minimum time, on the condition that our fine relationship is not shattered by scandalous behaviour by any of our sides. I was gonna write down an example, but we can chat about it. Your T110 should be fine, we can start from there.

So we're fine for now on that part. Here's my attempt at a draft:

Decebal,

Thanks for the message. In case it's not clear, I'm suggesting Open Borders with a no-scouting clause. That means 1) we will not enter your territory upon signing it and 2) you will profit from the deal by improving your domestic trade routes into more valuable foreign trade routes. You don't lose anything here, and both of our teams would get income from foreign trade routes. If you don't see that arrangement as beneficial to your team, that's fine.

I would like us to at least consider a more lengthy NAP. Right now the NAP runs through at least T110, at which point either of us could start the 10 turn cancelation. Even if you do not want to trade with us, we would appreciate a long-lasting peace. What do you think of a NAP until T150? We would also suggest that a NAP must also have no harmful spy actions such as pillaging, civic swapping, poisoning, etc.

To be honest with you, it is not entirely clear to me what you guys want. If you could give me a better idea of how you feel about the potential relationship between our teams, I think I would be able to better understand how to work with you.

Thanks!
scooter - Team RB

Input welcome as always.

[kjn]

Would prefer another date for the NAP. T150 is when our NAP with the Germans end, and we intend to solve the timer issues permanently.

Heck, even T140 would be better, since that means we could re-negotiate with CivPlayers and then have a pretty clear secure agreement with them.

[novice]

I like your draft.
If we end up with a NAP and a cold war, we might want to position spies in their lands for sentrying. We wouldn't want to have a spy discovery invalidate the NAP. So maybe say harmful spy missions instead of harmful spy actions.

Agree with kjn that T150 is maybe not ideal.

[kalin]

scooter: I like it. There's only one thing I can think of. I don't like the phrasing of this too much: "we would appreciate a long-lasting peace". Maybe something along the lines: "peace would be in both our interests"? I'd like not to sound like we want peace at all cost, even though we may want that...

Kalin

[SevenSpirits]

Hey, I think I have good chances of connecting with them. Can you hold off for today and let me get a chance to try composing a message?

[kjn]

We need a message to CFC as well.

[scooter]

Hey, I think I have good chances of connecting with them. Can you hold off for today and let me get a chance to try composing a message?

Definitely.

I'll draft something to CFC here soonly.

[waterbat]

I'd probably play along with his game - and replace

"If you don't see that arrangement as beneficial to your team, that's fine. "
with
"If the factions within your government don't see that arrangement as beneficial to your team, that's fine."

I think the heavy EP spending (and recent whip at the turn deadline disguising trick ) require us to be on alert.